tornado guard question?

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  1. pk1mbjj

    pk1mbjj White Belt

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    What do you do when someone sits back on their heels.while in your tornado guard?
     
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    One leg in or both legs out style tornado guard?
     
  3. QTdd**

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    You switch to a triangle.
     
  4. Shemhazai

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    You switch to the triangle when the guy sprawls. If he sits back on his heels, he is usually in good posture, making the triangle very difficult.

    The answer is to grab both of his legs and kick him in the chest, sweeping him backwards. Here's Cyborg doing it @ 6:23:



    It's also possible to go for kneebars if you play that game. Watch Davi Ramos for this.
     
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    You're right. It was 5 AM when I posted that and I figured he meant sprawling.
     
  6. Shemhazai

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    No sweat, it happens. :)

    BTW, I actually think that the modified omoplata sweep that Cyborg teaches (same as the one Gerbil made a video of, but set up from tornado) is a higher percentage attack than the triangle. IMO, Cyborg lands the triangle mostly due to impeccable timing/awareness and speed - it's high reward, but difficult against an aware opponent. The omoplata sweep is a much smaller and less risky transition, and you can obviously set up the triangle afterwards if he keeps sprawling hard to prevent being thrown forward.
     
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    bjjaz Got the Rock...Time to Roll

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    Triangle, omoplata, or sweep...
     
  8. Shemhazai

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    That's the strategy for an opponent with broken posture, not when he sits on his heels. Unless you know some moves from there that I don't.

    BTW, to follow up on the kick-back sweep: A lot of guys will base out against this sweep in a manner that exposes their 'entangled' leg (the one you had hooked in half guard to begin with) to the RDLR spin-under. You can actually use this to force the RDLR vs. an opponent who is down on both knees, as shown here:

     
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    pk1mbjj White Belt

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    thanks a lot! it makes a lot of sense sweeping them backwards since their weight is already in that direction. do you have a video of the omoplata sweep or do you know where i can find one?
     
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    bjjaz Got the Rock...Time to Roll

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    It's on the Cyborg DVD but I'm not sure if it is anywhere else.
     
  11. Shemhazai

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    This is the sweep, but a different setup (from a leg lasso):



    You would set it up from tornado just like the triangle, by stepping on his hip with your outside leg and freeing your inside foot.
     

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