News Tony Ferguson vs Bobby Green set for UFC 291 in Salt Lake City, July 29

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I wonder what betting lines we get for Ferguson , +300?
 
Tony is washed - this is the last stage of fighter career. He won't win anymore. Or at least not against top ~30 of division and Bobby is that.
 
Gotta give this one to Green. A few years ago Tony massacres him, but he's not that guy anymore.

The one positive of this fight is that Bobby is unlikely to give him a huge helping of brain damage. More likely just cruises to a decision, peppering him up a bit from outside.
 
Green? great this time i get to beat khabib finally
 
That's what you get for not quitting vs Justin. Destroyed your career. Your brain proteins are foul.
 
I was hoping for a rematch with Lee. Hope Bobby beats him up just enough to make Tony retire.
 
Tony fighting these days looks like a mix of him getting his talent taken from the Monstars from space jam. And a 5th grader that went to one karate class then binged watched some power rangers before confronting his school bully only to get his ass beat.
 
I just can't see Tony winning a fight again. Looks like UFC is doing their best to make it happen though. Green is always underrated here for some reason.
 
Why wouldn't they book the Jared Gordon rematch instead?
 
CerebralKnievel said:
Hilarious that you keyboard clowns think Tony will easily lose.
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Look what Michael Johnson did to a prime Tony. Not only is Tony completely shot as a fighter where his main defense is literally turning his back and running away he’s also only what gonna be two months away from getting a DUI where he flipped his car. Sounds like a great combination.
 
Safton said:
Look, normally I'd agree, but what "level of competition" disparity do you think there is that would account for Tony being sent running in a defensive shell every time a past-prime Nate so much as threw a punch in his direction? He went from being a guy who built his career around fearlessly pressuring the other guy and melting them with his striking offense like a downhill boulder, eating everything they could dish out on the chin... to being a guy who not only physically can't eat the shots anymore but mentally refuses to. His entire core identity as a fighter crumbled until he shot himself headfirst into a guillotine. This is beside the fact that his explosiveness and athleticism just doesn't seem to be there anymore.

Bobby Green has arguably lost a step in his past few fights, but even in his prime I think he would have put up a disproportionately decent fight against Ferguson before getting caught with something. He's good at fighting off the back foot, has good cardio, and solid boxing fundamentals. Tony has always struggled with his boxing defense. Against this version of Tony... who even knows what to expect?



Personally I always felt that knockdown was a bit... overvalued. Yeah, it was a pinprick of light that has been Ferguson's recent career and he looked pretty good in those early striking exchanges, ultimately dropping Chandler. But what did he accomplish in that spot, really? Clipping a past-prime fighter who even at his best was known for being defensively irresponsible on the feet and having a somewhat iffy chin? Chandler sprung right back up from it, too. I don't want to minimize the knockdown, but so many people are and were content to immediately yell "Tony's back, baby!" as soon as it happened while forgetting all the surrounding context. I mean the entire second half of that round consisted of Chandler taking Tony down and landing GnP with Ferguson's head pinned against the fence. Yeah, Tony was throwing elbows off his back and even landing some decent ones as he always does, but I saw no reason to believe that Mike couldn't go back to the well with the wrestling strategy in Rounds 2 and 3 even if the front kick hadn't happened.



It's not being a keyboard clown or hater to pick against a guy who is on a five-fight skid (mostly finishes), hasn't looked like himself in a long time, is suffering from a long career full of injuries and wear & tear, and is now going through "personal issues" (well, more than usual).

A lot people in here -- myself included -- aren't just mindlessly shitting on Tony because we don't like him. In fact, quite the opposite. I appreciate his career and the fun fights he's given us so much that I'd rather not see him take more damage fighting needlessly beyond his level of competition and based on recent evidence, I have reason to believe that a lot of people inside the UFC are, in fact, beyond his current level of competition. Green included. I've been called a Ferguson hater and worse before for saying stuff like this, but Tony hasn't given fans much to get excited about recently and conversely given them a lot that should worry them. Any other fighter on a skid remotely like his would be called washed, shot, and people would be talking about feeding him to a prospect before putting him out to pasture... yet people get very defensive whenever someone tries to give honest assessments of Tony's chances in any given contest and instantly resort to personal attacks and the like. Someone got particularly heated with me because I said a current Welterweight Tony didn't match up well against RDA or Wonderboy.

On paper and from the eye test, this just doesn't look like a good fight for Tony as someone who's been watching both men's recent performances of note. Can Tony mount another heroic effort like he did against Chandler in Round 1 and maybe even score a win? Sure, absolutely. MMA is an inherently volatile sport, Tony is an ATG in my eyes, plus Green is getting up there in years hasn't been lighting the world on fire recently. Maybe Tony catches him with something, sure. You have no idea how much I would love to see that. Maybe it would give Tony the closure he needs to walk away from the sport and ride off into the sunset. But the odds, IMO, do not favor him.
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kalabula said:
Plus, Tony looked really good before getting sent to another dimension by Chandler.
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Yet he still lost the first round before getting his head punted into the fourth row in the second. You know a fighter is shot when you have people saying they looked really good but still weren’t winning the fight.
 
StewDogg11 said:
Look what Michael Johnson did to a prime Tony. Not only is Tony completely shot as a fighter where his main defense is literally turning his back and running away he’s also only what gonna be two months away from getting a DUI where he flipped his car. Sounds like a great combination.
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Oh, he's a train wreck at this point, but to discount him as though he's 50 year old Chuck Liddell is just absurd. He could still come in fit and put on a performance, and it's not as though Green isn't known for coasting through fights.
 
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