Tony Ferguson Jiu Jitsu level.

[TheWave111]

I don't know much about Jiu Jitsu but it looks to me that Paul Felder Jiu Jitsu is better than Ferguson.
There is a huge difference if I compare the fights of Felder and Fergusons against Oliveira.
Any expert?

 

[DS66]

I don't think you can really do MMA math like that to determine who has better Jiu Jitsu.

Oliveira dominated Felder on the ground in the first round of their fight as well. He had his back several times and constantly threatened submissions. Oliveira burned himself out going for the finish in round 1 and didn't have much left in round 2, that seemed to happen to him quite a bit back then but he's improved that part of his game considerably. It was also an elbow on the feet from Felder that clipped Charles started the beginning of the end, it's not like Felder outgrappled Oliveira at all. That narrative is just completely untrue.

 

[TheWave111]

I don't think you can really do MMA math like that to determine who has better Jiu Jitsu.

Oliveira dominated Felder on the ground in the first round of their fight as well. He had his back several times and constantly threatened submissions. Oliveira burned himself out going for the finish in round 1 and didn't have much left in round 2, that seemed to happen to him quite a bit back then but he's improved that part of his game considerably. It was also an elbow on the feet from Felder that clipped Charles started the beginning of the end, it's not like Felder outgrappled Oliveira at all. That narrative is just completely untrue.

But Oliveira was never as close against Felder. Maybe Felder is physically stronger than Ferguson?

 

[DS66]

But Oliveira was never as close against Felder. Maybe Felder is physically stronger than Ferguson?

Felder certainly might be physically stronger than Tony, he's a very strong solid dude. I also think a) Felder's striking on the feet was more threatening than the tentative version of Tony that we saw last week, and b) Oliveira is just overall better now than he was a few years ago when he fought Felder. He's bigger, stronger, has better striking, and seems to be a lot more mentally strong and confident in himself. I think the Oliveira of today wrecks Felder.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Felder uses bjj defensively and is looking to scramble and ground n pound when he is on top. Different styles of ground work. Felder is just focusing on avoiding submissions, scrambling/reversing/getting up, or unloading with ground in pound punches/elbows/hammer fist. Two very different approaches as Ferg will play the bjj game and Felder will just do it to avoid submissions/control and look to punish on the ground instead of looking for submissions.

Striking changes the aspects of grappling completely.

 

[Nate banged my mom]

 

[Jose Beehive]

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[FlyingDeathKick]

Felder is the BJJ GOAT, if Oliveira manages to beat Khabib then Felder is a better grappler than Khabib.

 

[Dacha]

Ferguson is crafty in all areas, even great Khabib gave him highest respect. Very confusing now.

 

[Terrorist]

Oliveiras improved a lot since then

 

[Yep]

Clearly Kennedy has better bjj than Roger Gracie. This fight still giving us doozy threads

 

[Megalodon]

I think he's more of an opportunistic subber rather than a specialist, most of his subs have come from either hurting guys or overwhelming guys on the feet.

That being said, it's funny his ground game credentials are being questioned because he lost to one high level grappler yet to this day people go on about the mythical Diaz brother guard despite both of them getting ragdolled repeatedly throughout their career.

 

[The Chosen]

Tony is more like a specialist black belt, he has slick and creative submissions, but the other parts of his grappling are severely lacking.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

Yea cause Felder’s darce choke is not to be fucks with.


Tony would win a grappling contest against Felder

 

[Mma23]

You know what’s funny is that oliveira tapped to strikes while having felder in full guard

 

[Rear Naked Toke]

Felder is the BJJ GOAT, if Oliveira manages to beat Khabib then Felder is a better grappler than Khabib.

Nice. Always wondered how that worked.

 

[Greyscale]

Charles Oliveira was submitted by Jim Miller in 2010 but submitted him in 2018. Whose BJJ is better?

 

[Harozim]

You know what’s funny is that oliveira tapped to strikes while having felder in full guard

not the same charles. he's improved a lot in those 3 years.

 

[Noraaq]

10th planet got exposed. That rubber guard got absolutely dominated by Charles just stacking up on Tony against the cage.

 

[Vayn Sword]

Clearly Kennedy has better bjj than Roger Gracie. This fight still giving us doozy threads

He chooses to train jiu jitsu not because its easy, but because its hard.