Tito: Cyborg can't make 135

[markg171]

Totally different situations. Those divisions already had champions. Those situations would lead to such complications. Ronda's situation, not so much.

So why didn't they get title shots?

 

[Rematch]

So why didn't they get title shots?

Divisions were already up and running with legitimate contenders already in the mix.

 

[Arkain2K]

how many times is this same thread going to be made?

As often and pointless as the threads about Flyweights.

 

[clayj]

That is just stupid. Have you ever seen Cyborg weigh in a 145?

Let me know where that 10 pounds is coming off.

The same way Coleman went from 250 lbs to a LHW and Vitor went from 250 lbs to a MW, the same way Marquardt went to 170.... stop the anabolics, focus more on cardio and the weight will come off no problem.

Floyd Mayweather is also 5'8" and he fought at 135 for most of his career. Cyborg can make it, she just doesn't want to give up any muscle mass to do it, she is used to a 20 lb and 10x testosterone advantage whenever she fights, she is too much of a coward to do it any other way.

Dolce could have easily put her on a different diet, get her off steroids, changed her training from power to cardio and she could drop the weight easily. Because somebody has low fat you are saying they can't lose the weight? You don't think Paul Harris could quit the juice and go down to 170? To say Cyborg CAN'T make 135 is absolutely asinine. Cyborg WON'T make 135 is the real case here. She can go enjoy her 2k + 2k fight purse plus beer money sponsorships over in Invicta while Ronda is making PPV bonuses. Have fun with the steroids and fighting nobodys, Cyborg.

 

[clayj]

No, that would be Miesha.
Miesha is a lot better than Cyborg.

I agree, Cyborg at 135 and off steroids probably doesn't win the eliminator match against Miesha.

I wonder about all of these people praising her and if they have even watched a Cyborg fight. Her technique is terrible, Gina Carano had mount on her two times (Rousey would have easily finished the fight on both occasions) but let Cyborg up because she didn't know what to do with it. Cyborg throws winging punches, is easy to clinch and does most of her damage by steroid-bullying small, weak girls to the ground and using GNP. None of this stuff is going to work on Ronda, and at 135 without her huge size and testosterone advantage, I don't even think it will work on Miesha.

 

[fandangler101]

Dana keeps saying "She doesn't wanna fight Ronda" No Dana Ronda won't fight her at 145, she has made that clear more than once..

Agreed. Cyborg has a ton of muscle mass (legal or not..) I don't see her making that weight and being healthy. Don't need her to pull a Rumble Johnson and pass out at the weigh ins.

 

[Torrid]

this

anyone who acts like Ronda is somehow obligated to MOVE UP and fight Cyborg just because she's the other biggest name in WMMA is retarded

You wouldn't ever expect that from a man. You wouldn't expect Aldo to go fight Benson Henderson just because there's not many stars at featherweight..

That's just not how it works.




Shut up. You don't like to have like it, but you need to accept the facts. Women's MMA is not one big divisionless thing. It has divisions just like the men's.

Ronda fights at 135. She's fought at 135 since the beginning of her pro career. Just because the other most famous woman happens to be 145 doesn't mean Ronda is obligated to move up and fight her.

No one demands that Jones moves up and fight Cain. If you want that ligher title, you have to move down

Ha. Ronda started at 145, was in line for a title shot and dropped to 135. You people are the definition of blind hating. Oh and Olympics at 154

 

[ABC]

how many times is this same thread going to be made?

don't know but somebody started another one after this one

 

[ABC]

Ha. Ronda started at 145, was in line for a title shot and dropped to 135. You people are the definition of blind hating. Oh and Olympics at 154

Didn't Cyborg start out at 135 and moved up?

What's the difference?

 

[BudBundy**]

cyborg can.easily make 135 if she quits the roids. the thing about roids is that it.doesnt just give u a physical edge. It gives u a psychological edge as well. cyborg probably feels more confident and powerful on roids. if she really cared about wanting to have kids.she wouldnt have put that crap in her body.

 

[Jmarc]

The same way Coleman went from 250 lbs to a LHW and Vitor went from 250 lbs to a MW, the same way Marquardt went to 170.... stop the anabolics, focus more on cardio and the weight will come off no problem.

Floyd Mayweather is also 5'8" and he fought at 135 for most of his career. Cyborg can make it, she just doesn't want to give up any muscle mass to do it, she is used to a 20 lb and 10x testosterone advantage whenever she fights, she is too much of a coward to do it any other way.

Dolce could have easily put her on a different diet, get her off steroids, changed her training from power to cardio and she could drop the weight easily. Because somebody has low fat you are saying they can't lose the weight? You don't think Paul Harris could quit the juice and go down to 170? To say Cyborg CAN'T make 135 is absolutely asinine. Cyborg WON'T make 135 is the real case here. She can go enjoy her 2k + 2k fight purse plus beer money sponsorships over in Invicta while Ronda is making PPV bonuses. Have fun with the steroids and fighting nobodys, Cyborg.

You pieces of shit really bring down the quality of Sherdog. A fighter gets busted for using PEDs and you act like those were the only reason for anything in their life. You make it seem like PEDs woke them up, made their breakfast, drove them to the gym, did everything including wiping their ass.

Screw you man. Palhares wasn't even busted for using Steroids so this bullshit needs to stop being allowed here. He had high testosterone. That does NOT neccessarily mean steroids. If he was busted for steroids, they would have said steroids.

And then you have the nerve to compare Cris Cyborg to Floyd Mayweather? Cyborg is a woman. Comparing a woman to a man isn't reasonable when we are talking about cutting weight. Which women has Mike Dolce worked with that are comparable to Cyborg? Anyone? Or do you just believe him?

Sure, I can make anyone lose weight too. But for you guys to act like it is "easy" is just being ignorant and stupid. Telling a fighter to lose their muscle mass is ridiculous. Her biggest asset in her fights is her power. You are telling her to just drop 10 pounds, lose all her muscle mass, and then fight the champion like it is nothing. Its kind of a big freaking deal. Oh yeah, and lets not forget about the permanent damage losing the weight might do to her as well.

Or did I forget every troll on Sherdog is actually a Doctor with access to Cris Cyborg medical records?

 

[riitzni]

I think it's funny that so many people are saying "The champ doesn't come to you, you come to the champ." Rhonda was GIVEN the belt, she's yet to "win" in the UFC, sure she was champ in StrikeForce, but until you've won in an Org, you're not really a champ.

I think it's funny you managed to show so much retardation in so few words. I've bolded your post so you can think about it a little more and perhaps edit it when you realize how stupid it sounds.

 

[Jmarc]

Didn't Cyborg start out at 135 and moved up?

What's the difference?

And Anderson Silva was the champ at 168 pounds, so he should just cut weight and fight GSP right? It really aint no thang. He could cut it easily. Just call Mike Dolce, and he will be right as rain.

 

[ABC]

And Anderson Silva was the champ at 168 pounds, so he should just cut weight and fight GSP right? It really aint no thang. He could cut it easily. Just call Mike Dolce, and he will be right as rain.

I'm not the one arguing that fighters should have to fight at a weight class that isn't comfortable for them.
Fans say that Ronda should move back up because that's where she started. Well if that's the case, Cyborg should move back down because that's where she started.
My point was that you can't have it both ways.

 

[clayj]

A fighter gets busted for using PEDs and you act like those were the only reason for anything in their life. You make it seem like PEDs woke them up, made their breakfast, drove them to the gym, did everything including wiping their ass.

.............

Her biggest asset in her fights is her power. You are telling her to just drop 10 pounds, lose all her muscle mass, and then fight the champion like it is nothing.

This has to be the dumbest post ever on Sherdog. You start by implying steroids weren't that important to Cyborg and finish it up by saying her power is her biggest asset. Congratulations for the dumbest post in history.

 

[Arkain2K]

don't know but somebody started another one after this one

I expects 10 more threads about this tomorrow.

 

[HaulParris]

First, Dr.J.Ortiz taught us about deaf people having soft skulls. Then, he explained how his own skull was cracked. Now, he enlightens the unwashed masses about the anatomy and physiology of the human female.

 

[Jmarc]

This has to be the dumbest post ever on Sherdog. You start by implying steroids weren't that important to Cyborg and finish it up by saying her power is her biggest asset. Congratulations for the dumbest post in history.

So you have evidence Cris Cyborg wouldn't be as strong without using PEDs ever in her career? Do you have evidence of when she started taking PEDs? Or you are just talking out of your ass and making shit up?

 

[Jmarc]

I'm not the one arguing that fighters should have to fight at a weight class that isn't comfortable for them.
Fans say that Ronda should move back up because that's where she started. Well if that's the case, Cyborg should move back down because that's where she started.
My point was that you can't have it both ways.

Then you aren't getting it. Rhonda doesn't fight at 135 because that is the optimum weight class for her, she fights at 135 because she doesn't want to fight Cyborg.

Rhonda would beat every woman at 135 AND 145, if their name wasn't Cyborg. Rhonda loses nothing as far as skills and strengths go fighting at 145. Cyborg has to give up a TON of muscle to safely get there.

That is the difference. The only realistic reason for Rhonda not to fight 145 is Cyborg. Nothing else.

 

[ABC]

I expects 10 more threads about this tomorrow.

typical Sherdog denial.

What happens is when a viewpoint is posted and facts are presented that counter that viewpoint, instead of accepting the truth, people will start a brand new thread to ignore the facts. You see the same people abandon the thread in favor of the new one that hasn't had the facts presented yet. I posted a couple legit counters in the newer one so it won't be long before that one is abandoned also and another new one is started.
What they need are some people that have been around for awhile that have partial moderator authority to do stuff like merge threads and send BS threads to the wasteland.