Media "TitLe DEfeNseS aRE tHe oNly thiNg tHat mAtters"

[axe wound]

you got some issues with your shift key there TS

 

[Steve-French]

Lol youve inflated everyone’s top 5 wins so badly. Barboza, who’s not a “top 5” win is a much better fighter than the likes of Dan Hardy and Patrick Cote

Also, it’s easier to have more top 5 wins when there’s only 15-20 fighters per division.

UFC LW division has 80+ rostered right now, compared to 10-12 when Penn was champ

And 2 of Khabibs 4 top 5 wins were against guys that moved up from Featherweight. See I can down play a resume too. Khabib was a great fighter and the goat LW. He has the potential to be the Goat, but as it stands he just doesn't have the resume for it if he stays retired.

 

[Willek]

Khabib missed weight twice yet Conor is a bully for picking on Featherweights

 

[Kha'bless]

Not just that, LW is literally LOG JAMMED with talent, fighters were amassing ridiculous win streaks never had a shot at the title, it's extremely foolish to suggest that since fighters like Barboza weren't "Top 5' then they were somehow weak competition.

Again, lack of nuance and appeal to low IQ by GSP/Jones fans

We are talking to literal imbeciles. Their brains are so fried on Rogan's cocktail of weed, AlphaBrain, shrooms, that shit with Shamins in Peru etc...

They can't fathom for a single second that a win over #11 Al Iaquinta, Islam, Guram who isn't even ranked or Armin is better than shitty 'ranked' title defence win over a Dan Hardy or Anthony Smith because all they worship is numbers and 'rankings'. Boxing fans are so much better in this regard, make MMA fans look like completr turds.

 

[Pillar of Society]

Also, it’s easier to have more top 5 wins when there’s only 15-20 fighters per division.

UFC LW division has 80+ rostered right now, compared to 10-12 when Penn was champ

This is a good point.
Is there any site where you can see how many fighters were signed in each division at various points in the past?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Title defenses aren't the only thing. There is the level of competition and ranked wins.

Plus between Ramadan and injuries Khabib only fought 12 times in the 9 years he was in the UFC. He would a got a shot much sooner if he was more active.

GSP
Has 19 top 5 wins

Is a two division champion

13 fight win streak

Beat 6 ex UFC Champs

9 title defenses

Has avenged both of his losses in dominating fashion

Every fighter he has ever faced fought for a major organization and has a winning record.

Anderson Silva
13 top 5 wins

17 fight win streak (16 in the UFC)

15 finishes during win streak

Beat 3 ex UFC champs

10 title defenses

3 wins at LHW

Jon Jones
15 top 5 wins

Beat 6 ex UFC champions

Undefeated

14 title defenses

Is moving up to HW

Khabib
4 top 5 wins

Beat 3 ex UFC champions

Undefeated

3 title defenses

Not that it makes a big difference but Khabib has 5 top 5 wins in Gaethje, Poirier, McGregor, RDA and Barboza.

 

[xhaydenx]

Trujillo, Tavares, Tibau and Shalorus are just as good of names as Johnson, Barboza and Iaquinta.

Fuck, that is a serious stretch haha.

 

[Noraaq]

And 2 of Khabibs 4 top 5 wins were against guys that moved up from Featherweight. See I can down play a resume too. Khabib was a great fighter and the goat LW. He has the potential to be the Goat, but as it stands he just doesn't have the resume for it if he stays retired.

GSP got TKOd by a midget. Let me guess, you also counted Serra as a top 5 win for GSP

 

[NikLuk]

In GSP's WW era, fighters making their UFC debut would fight GSP for the title.

This literally never happened.

 

[RiotWyatt]

Fuck, that is a serious stretch haha.

All journeymen with nearly as many losses as they do wins in the UFC. Just because one group was successful more recently doesn't mean they are the better group.

 

[The Chosen]

Times are different though. Back then, fights outside of the UFC actually meant something. It was not uncommon to see fighters come get a title shot mainly due to their accomplishments outside of the UFC.

Nowadays, the UFC has become it's own minor league so it'll take longer for fighters to get title shots.

Bro GSP and Jon were like 21 when they got their first title shot, what could they have possibly accomplished outside the UFC under 20 years old? Lol

 

[The Chosen]

Fact: the worst posters are all Khabib haters/Jon nuthuggers

 

[nefti]

Great fighters are justed my their win loss records

Great champions are judged by thier record as champions.

 

[CaptHANDSUP]

Dumbest shit Ive ever read. When youre defending a title youre fighting the best of the best. When youre on your way up you could be fighting anybody, including cans. You overlooked the most obvious and important factor in why people say this.

If Khabib was rushed to the title like you said I garauntee he would've lost the belt to someone by now. People forget he didnt even fight Tony.

 

[Rocket Punch]

title defenses are not that important, since that's often out of the fighter's control. it's the UFC who you gotta fight and when you get a title shot.

 

[Goatbib]

Good thread TS but do you really think sherdoggers have an IQ high enough to see anything more than 10 > 3? It is absolute retardedness to not keep in context how late Khabib got his titleshot compared to others.

 

[The Chosen]

Dumbest shit Ive ever read. When youre defending a title youre fighting the best of the best. When youre on your way up you could be fighting anybody, including cans. You overlooked the most obvious and important factor in why people say this.

Khabib had a dominant win over the future champ of the division 4 years before he became champ himself... this proves Khabib was way ahead of the competition, rankings don’t matter, especially in a sport where Jorge Masvidal gets a title shot after beating Nate Diaz. The “best of the best” is a fallacy, look at title challenger’s careers and tell me if they were ever really that good... Anthony Smith, OSP, come on these are not “the best of the best” LOL

 

[fzoid4454]

It's an appeal to low IQ folks: "10 is a bigger number than 3, therefore fighter with 10 defences is the GOAT"... Zero nuance and critical thinking.

What's not taken into account is the path to the title, level of competition, and actual in-cage performance and dominance.

Khabib fought through the shark tank that is modern LW and beat fighters in top 15 that would fight for the title if they were in GSP's WW division. He cut through extremely lethal competition and made it look easy, by the time he reached the title he already had 10 winstreak in the UFC. Absolutely insane to think about.

If Khabib had an easy route like GSP and Silva, he would have comfortably achieved 10+ Title Defenses.

Khabib is GOAT and there is no debate

Don't be stupid. The importance of title defenses in assessing that stuff is the fact that title challengers are better than lower ranked scrubs one fights on the path to the title. Are you going to try and tell us that Khabib beating Darrell Horcher after RDA is on par with GSP fighting Hughes, Penn, Condit, Diaz, Hendricks, Shields and Fitch? Sorry, not buying what you're selling.

Now sometimes, championship opponents are unworthy, but that's the exception, not the rule. An exception that applied to Khabib getting the title in the first place.

Khabib WON the title basically fighting a gatekeeper who only was in that fight because, literally, they couldn't find anyone else to take it on zero day's notice, and he wasn't even eligible to win the about because he had already weighed in for his original fight, making the non-championship limit.

 

[xhaydenx]

Dumbest shit Ive ever read. When youre defending a title youre fighting the best of the best. When youre on your way up you could be fighting anybody, including cans. You overlooked the most obvious and important factor in why people say this.

If Khabib was rushed to the title like you said I garauntee he would've lost the belt to someone by now. People forget he didnt even fight Tony.

But he already fought all the best in the division (apart from Tony) on his way to the title, and he defended it against the clear cut two best in the division in Dustin and Justin.

Like, who would he have lost the belt to if he had skipped the entire line and fought them as champ?

 

[mirellale]

In GSP's WW era, fighters making their UFC debut would fight GSP for the title.

You just exposed yourself as a casual fan.LMAO what a tool.