News Titanic Tours Submersible missing in atlantic ocean

[deadshot138]

How much longer are discussing Poseidons fleshlight

You were in a hurry to share that one Lmao

 

[cincymma79]

You were in a hurry to share that one Lmao

Coworker just said it after I called it a fleshlight

 

[Phisher]

College new grads are full of inspiration and you also don't have to pay them as much as experienced industry employees. Huge company win

The old white guys that he was referring to were people in the deep submersible community who kept telling him that his sub was dangerous and that what he was doing was stupid.

His staff was just filled with people who were scared to say "no" to the boss.

 

[deadshot138]

For reference, I checked, a dive in a capable vessel like the deep sea challenger costs $750k.

 

[Doughie99]

I predict they'll be sued out of existence in the next 12-14 months

100% agree.
They'll be lucky to avoid criminal charges of culpable homicide or negligent homicide. (I know I know it's International waters, i'm not a lawyer....)
OceanGate is fucked as a company and deservedly so.

 

[GSP_37]

The more I hear about the design, the more it sounds like a Sherdogger built it. The TV experts are saying carbon fiber isn't good for repeat use for underwater purpose.

 

[milliniar]

100% agree.
They'll be lucky to avoid criminal charges of culpable homicide or negligent homicide. (I know I know it's International waters, i'm not a lawyer....)
OceanGate is fucked as a company and deservedly so.

They are still subject to laws of country either where they departed or country of registration can't remember which.

 

[scoopj]

This link has really good information on materials to use for a submarine hull. Steel is the favorite, and carbon fiber is not anywhere to be seen.

LEEAMITe: The Transport Vehicle

"Submarine pressure hull are usually made of steel, aluminum, titanium, acrylic plastic and glass. However, the most widely used material is steel, because of a high degree of knowledge available to designers and manufacturers as well as of its outstanding performance in the ocean."

 

[Doughie99]

This link has really good information on materials to use for a submarine hull. Steel is the favorite, and carbon fiber is not anywhere to be seen.

LEEAMITe: The Transport Vehicle

"Submarine pressure hull are usually made of steel, aluminum, titanium, acrylic plastic and glass. However, the most widely used material is steel, because of a high degree of knowledge available to designers and manufacturers as well as of its outstanding performance in the ocean."

Good find!
Steel alloy is also very inexpensive, and easy to work with, easy to machine and there are MANY different alloys available which suit different applications.. Chrome (well obviously), cobalt, manganese, vanadium, nickel, molybdenum, and quite a few other elements are often alloyed with steel. This is one of the reasons why Elon Musk switched from wanting to use carbon-fiber for the Starship prototype rocket to 300-series steel alloy.
Titanium alloy is fine, but very pricey and difficult to machine.

 

[RedBeard_]

I predict they'll be sued out of existence in the next 12-14 months

The CEO is dead, so it will be investors and the interesting "not 50 year old white men" left holding their dicks.

 

[Thai Domi]

“This is a mature art, and many people in the community were very concerned about this sub."

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[HereticBD]

The more I hear about the design, the more it sounds like a Sherdogger built it. The TV experts are saying carbon fiber isn't good for repeat use for underwater purpose.

Everyone is going to pretend to be an expert now, and I have no doubt that there is some morbid glee within the community that was doubting him, because you know damn well this guy was told his sub was a coffin, before he ever even tried it out. When he surfaced on any number of successful dives, he likely rubbed it in their faces. Shit, I would.

All in all, I can't blame the guy for wanting to innovate, and who knows? It ultimately failed, but there is probably valuable data that that community can take from this guy's experimentation. Progress on this kind of level, whether it be flight or shit, race cars, is gonna have some casualties along the way.

I would just say that it should never have been opened up to tourists and should've remained an in-house project, until they worked all the kinks out. That's where this guy deserves the flack. I have no problem with people taking a different perspective on things, and risk their own lives to go for it, but leave the normies out of it, until you're 100% sure that it's 99.9% safe.

 

[MicroBrew]

If the father believed it was safe he was delusional. Like I said, anybody taking any dive that deep knows the risks, and that’s even before factoring in all the hack bullshit.

When the CEO of the company is willing to accompany them that is a huge confidence booster.

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Former NASA astronaut Scott Parazynski and his wife (a planatary scientist) both visited the Titanic in the Titan. They were even featured on a promotional video for OceanGate.

A NASA astronaut raved about his journey to view the Titanic wreckage in a video that was posted just two months before a tourist submersible with five people on baord went missing.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-250-000-trip-sub-view-Titanic-wreckage.html


Parazynski said that the experience is a very well engineered and very safe but and the team is very focused on safety first'

 

[Pittie Petey]

Some guy just posted video from his trip on Titan earlier this year, they had to abort the mission because of several malfunctions once they got into the water
You know he's gotta be so thankful that his trip failed the way it did and they didnt get very deep into the water

Timestamped to them getting in the sub

 

[RedBeard_]

“This is a mature art, and many people in the community were very concerned about this sub."

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Imbedded:

 

[ralphc1]

On a recent news video it was mentioned the US navy used game controllers to control their eletronic masts on their submarines. Thing is that the eletronic masts is not critical for the survivial of the crew unless we are in a war situation. The submarine uses traditional purpose built equipment for navigation, ascent/descent etc..With the Navy you know they tested the controllers a zillion ways and have robust redudant systems.

In this case the logitech controller may not have been the issue, it may have been the pressure vessel design, but even so when you combine the use of the controller along with the other non-traditional methods of building then it makes one question just how suitable the control was for this application.

Video game controllers probably see harder use than any commercial control device. Anything that can stand up to teenage boys is very tough. We had commercial touch screens on equipment that cost $5,000 for a 10 inch screen. We had a guy from a company that used a $300 24 inch display and a $40 touch pad plugged into a USB port instead to control the computer. When the touch pad wears out, you just plug in another one.

 

[emefer]

Video game controllers probably see harder use than any commercial control device. Anything that can stand up to teenage boys is very tough. We had commercial touch screens on equipment that cost $5,000 for a 10 inch screen. We had a guy from a company that used a $300 24 inch display and a $40 touch pad plugged into a USB port instead to control the computer. When the touch pad wears out, you just plug in another one.

I really don’t see a problem with song a video game controller. It has all the controls one needs in a handheld device. It’s like complaining that they use a regular mouse and keyboard. Not a fan of the blue tooth connection though. If I were looking for a strong wireless connection I’d use rf.

 

[ralphc1]

I thought the Navy had a deep diving submersible there on the second day.

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It's not something that you can just fly in by helicopter. A deep sea ROV has a ship to support it so the ship has to sail to the location. As has been said, the early searches were conducted by airplanes that drop sonar buoys and listen for under sea noises as well as planes that searched the surface of the sea. The sub supposedly had a system that would release the ballast after 24 hours in the sea and the sub would float to the surface.

 

[emefer]

I thought the Navy had a deep diving submersible there on the second day.

Think thought he had to fart and shit his pants.

 

[Doughie99]

I think the reason for the unique design of the sub hull is to allow it to have more room inside. Most (if not all) subs capable of those sort of depths have room for only one or two people... due to the massive thickness of the hull (a foot or more)..

I agree a cylindrical design absolutely gives more interior space.
But.... it's not so much the shape of it I have an issue with but the choice of construction materials, and the subsequent implicit JOIN between those 2 materials (titanium alloy and 5-inch-thick carbon fiber composite).

If Mr Rush had designed a submersible with the same dimensions but all in thick steel alloy or all in Titanium alloy then i think they'd all still be alive today.