News Titanic Tours Submersible missing in atlantic ocean

[syct23]

thats freaky to think about

Image if the submarine was found and recovered with no signs of an electrical failure. And that the entire ordeal was captured by onboard audio/video…

 

[ModernMatt]

Image if the submarine was found and recovered with no signs of an electrical failure. And that the entire ordeal was captured by onboard audio/video…

You think any of the passengers brought their cellphone or video camera of some kind? I would imagine the persons son did...so if they recover the sub, they may be able to see video of their last moments

 

[RedBeard_]

That's a good question. They call it an expedition and that seems accurate but at the same time tourism is a broad term that might encompass an expedition. No one really calls astronauts tourists though.

That is because astronauts are on a payroll. They are not paying for the journey themselves. The billionaire who paid the Russians to take him into space decades ago was labelled in the media as the first "space tourist."

 

[Doughie99]

If it is power failure, and doesn't sound like a backup power supply...how long will their lights last? Even if they brought a flashlight/lantern...battery life in those are what, 8 hours? So does that mean for a majority of the time they're sitting down in darkness?

my Fenix E12 small LED light (30dollars on amazon.com) runs on one AA battery for around 70hours at it's lowest setting (3 power levels). That's almost 3 days continuously. Have 2 spare AA batteries, and that's almost 9 days of continuous operation.
But....they probably did not take simple stuff like that on-board. However the sub's owners SHOULD think ahead and have an emergency box of LED lights and batteries and 1st aid kit and a few tools and maybe 15 or 20liters of water, stuff like that. Having read about Stockton Rush quite a bit...I bet you they had NONE of this stuff on-board. Ill-equipped, badly designed, no systems redundancy, no spares of anything (I suspect), no emergency food bars.

Without interior lights it will be utterly pitch black and that will add to the terror I'm quite sure. If sub's batteries had failed or a short circuit or an electrical fire of some sort.... it's potentially drifting, pitch black, no comms, probably very cold and very very little hope.

This whole OceanGate sub and management & operations has got AMATEUR written all over it.

 

[Thai Domi]

Boss Of Titanic Sub Company Didn’t Want ‘50-Year-Old White Guys’ On His Team

 

[syct23]

You think any of the passengers brought their cellphone or video camera of some kind? I would imagine the persons son did...so if they recover the sub, they may be able to see video of their last moments

You know everyone had their cell phones down there, doesn’t sound like there were much rules going on in that coffin.

I’m sure everyone tried recording last messages and such to be found.

no use if it imploded though

 

[MicroBrew]

Boss Of Titanic Sub Company Didn’t Want ‘50-Year-Old White Guys’ On His Team

His comment is being miscontrued. It looks like what he meant was that he wanted fresh new desingers / explorers rather than stay with the traditioal old guard. If you look at his crew, head of the company and pilot, they all are older White guys. This guy - Stockton Rush - seems to give caution to the wind and just wants get on with doing things, so it seems like he was looking for 'rebel' designers/engineers who won't be as safety conscious and industry standard engineers / designers would be.

 

[13Seconds]

my Fenix E12 small LED light (30dollars on amazon.com) runs on one AA battery for around 70hours at it's lowest setting (3 power levels). That's almost 3 days continuously. Have 2 spare AA batteries, and that's almost 9 days of continuous operation.
But....they probably did not take simple stuff like that on-board. However the sub's owners SHOULD think ahead and have an emergency box of LED lights and batteries and 1st aid kit and a few tools and maybe 15 or 20liters of water, stuff like that. Having read about Stockton Rush quite a bit...I bet you they had NONE of this stuff on-board. Ill-equipped, badly designed, no systems redundancy, no spares of anything (I suspect), no emergency food bars.

Without interior lights it will be utterly pitch black and that will add to the terror I'm quite sure. If sub's batteries had failed or a short circuit or an electrical fire of some sort.... it's potentially drifting, pitch black, no comms, probably very cold and very very little hope.

This whole OceanGate sub and management & operations has got AMATEUR written all over it.

What got me in your post was "potentially drifting". You're telling me they're spinning around down there?

Don't know much about currents but I thought it was a surface thing.

Didn't think about the sub potentially moving at the bottom. I think it's over if that's the case. A fucking airplane crashed in the ocean a decade ago and it STILL haven't been found. This submersives only shot was that titanics wreck was a good starting point to look.

 

[Halifax]

Smart move.

Its a 8 hour dive from the surface to the wreckage.
They lost contact 1.5 hours into it.

So the media implying, by not widely including that fact, gives the public the impression they made it to the Titanic wreckage and then lost power.

It's a 2 hour dive. 4 hour tour and 2 hours to get back to the surface. 8 hours total

 

[Doughie99]

What got me in your post was "potentially drifting". You're telling me they're spinning around down there?

Don't know much about currents but I thought it was a surface thing.

Didn't think about the sub potentially moving at the bottom. I think it's over if that's the case. A fucking airplane crashed in the ocean a decade ago and it STILL haven't been found. This submersives only shot was that titanics wreck was a good starting point to look.

I think it's almost certainly on the seabed and from a previous report by a man who went down in the thing, the ocean currents pinned the sub against one of the Titanic's 3 propellers and it took them about an HOUR to struggle free. so there are strong currents down there......

it's possible that the sub is on the ocean floor and being moved along by ocean currents. Which is very bad as the further they drift from the titanic the lower the chances they'll be found. But it might simply be sat there in a foot of silt and not moving at all. No idea really. Whatever....their system of removing weights in order to ascend utterly failed. If you have a complete electrical failure.....then you need a backup way to ascend and that generally means removing weights and they DO have weights attached to it.
I cannot believe they'd be stupid enough to have the weight-release mechanism ELECTRICALLY powered.... as a power failure would mean that option is no longer available.
You have to have some kind of MECHANICAL release for the weights you're carrying so that it can be used even if the sub is 100% dead.

But ...Stockton Rush seems like an amateur and a fool and quite reckless so.....maybe another massive design error there with the emergency ascent option.

 

[emefer]

Nope. Only plastic urinals (ziplock bags) and a curtain they draw back.

Whatever happened it seems they weren’t able to offload the weights and return to the surface.

 

[DizzySpells25]

His comment is being miscontrued. It looks like what he meant was that he wanted fresh new desingers / explorers rather than stay with the traditioal old guard. If you look at his crew, head of the company and pilot, they all are older White guys. This guy - Stockton Rush - seems to give caution to the wind and just wants get on with doing things, so it seems like he was looking for 'rebel' designers/engineers who won't be as safety conscious and industry standard engineers / designers would be.

No i don't think it is being misconstrued at all. He said what he said. It seems pretty obvious to me. Can we get a look at everyone he employed? And those he passed over?

 

[TheNinja]

Nope. Only plastic urinals (ziplock bags) and a curtain they draw back.

To me it looks like the passenger in the way back has a manbun. And one of the other passengers is wearing a bucket hat. lol - For some reason that cracks me up.

 

[emefer]

I think it's almost certainly on the seabed and from a previous report by a man who went down in the thing, the ocean currents pinned the sub against one of the Titanic's 3 propellers and it took them about an HOUR to struggle free. so there are strong currents down there......

it's possible that the sub is on the ocean floor and being moved along by ocean currents. Which is very bad as the further they drift from the titanic the lower the chances they'll be found. But it might simply be sat there in a foot of silt and not moving at all. No idea really. Whatever....their system of removing weights in order to ascend utterly failed. If you have a complete electrical failure.....then you need a backup way to ascend and that generally means removing weights and they DO have weights attached to it.
I cannot believe they'd be stupid enough to have the weight-release mechanism ELECTRICALLY powered.... as a power failure would mean that option is no longer available.
You have to have some kind of MECHANICAL release for the weights you're carrying so that it can be used even if the sub is 100% dead.

But ...Stockton Rush seems like an amateur and a fool and quite reckless so.....maybe another massive design error there with the emergency ascent option.

Unless the weights were held on by electromagnets in which case a power failure would trigger the release of the weights but I’m sure that’s not the case.

 

[DizzySpells25]

To me it looks like the passenger in the way back has a manbun. And one of the other passengers is wearing a bucket hat. lol - For some reason that cracks me up.

it's interesting no one has long dreads. Did an old white guy illustrate this I wonder?

 

[Halifax]

Only on sherdog is this being discussed right now

I had to back and reread this today because it made me laugh so hard.

 

[mozfonky]

I had a history teacher who told us of films he saw in europe during ww2, they were films of people being gassed. He said that in their last moments people formed a human mountain, I think they had some instinct that if they got high enough they could escape the gas and that people were trying to tear open their throats in a maddened attempt to breath. I hope for the sake of these people, the sub just collapsed and killed them quickly. Most people wouldn't be too cool in that circumstance and the more gradual, the more bizarre and vile their actions will become.

I don't know much about this company but form what I'm reading here, it all looks pretty daffy and how people could be convinced to pay that much for a can with a game controller is dumb as hell, just on a visual basis, anyone without a death wish wouldn't even consider it.

 

[Doughie99]

Unless the weights were held on by electromagnets in which case a power failure would trigger the release of the weights but I’m sure that’s not the case.

aha yes now that's quite a good idea to have the weights actively attached as long as the power supply is sitll in operation.

I just don't know what their methods of emergency ascent would be but you would need I'd say 2 or 3 options. Nothing about this sub feels good or seems well thought out or well designed or well operated.
- Here's a previous passenger who went down in it and he said it was "not safe"and super uncomfortable.
He also mentioned they'd had previous problems with their batteries. :

Mr Loibl said during his dive he was nervous that the sub would have to return to the surface if it had "some problems like in the other dives with the battery systems".

But he added: "I was not afraid. If you do things like this, you must be a little bit crazy."

Asked if he thought the sub was safe, he said: "No, it was not safe."

https://news.sky.com/story/missing-...to-see-titanic-says-sub-was-not-safe-12907275

 

[RedBeard_]

The plot thickens. lol

 

[TheNinja]

I think it's almost certainly on the seabed and from a previous report by a man who went down in the thing, the ocean currents pinned the sub against one of the Titanic's 3 propellers and it took them about an HOUR to struggle free. so there are strong currents down there......

it's possible that the sub is on the ocean floor and being moved along by ocean currents. Which is very bad as the further they drift from the titanic the lower the chances they'll be found. But it might simply be sat there in a foot of silt and not moving at all. No idea really. Whatever....their system of removing weights in order to ascend utterly failed. If you have a complete electrical failure.....then you need a backup way to ascend and that generally means removing weights and they DO have weights attached to it.
I cannot believe they'd be stupid enough to have the weight-release mechanism ELECTRICALLY powered.... as a power failure would mean that option is no longer available.
You have to have some kind of MECHANICAL release for the weights you're carrying so that it can be used even if the sub is 100% dead.

But ...Stockton Rush seems like an amateur and a fool and quite reckless so.....maybe another massive design error there with the emergency ascent option.

I also cannot, for the life of me, understand why there would be no way to open the hatch from the inside! That seems completely insane. It's not like it would be a danger of some person going crazy and just opening the hatch underwater b/c obviously they would be completely unable to open the hatch b/c of all the water pressure pushing up against it.

To me it seems crazy cheap and easy to have 4 failovers.
1. In event of power failure/emergency, drop the weights and slow float to the surface
2. Ability to open the hatch from the inside once up to the surface
3. Have 1-2 weeks worth of water and emergency rations
4. Beacon of some sort that if you were bobbing on the water someone could pinpoint your location

If you are stuck at the bottom you are screwed anyway though and it wouldn't matter at all. Nobody is getting down to you that quickly anyway.