Tim Kennedy's right wing views?

[ABACA]

Man there is so much wrong here I'm not even sure where to start. And its a debate I'd like to have. But I'm watching boxing right now and don't feel like devoting the time.

But RnR was not any where near a communist ideology. I'm thinking you are confusing a few folk singers with RnR. And that early folk movement absolutely hated RnR

Nah dude, promoting mindless consumerism is totes communism.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

I more or less agree on Mandela, actually. No one is above criticism.

As for the respect that the enemy had for George Washington, you're buying into a bit of an ahistorical reading of the situation. The truth is, if you research the 18th century, and especially the Brits, you'll find that there's a pretty foreign (to us, anyway) class dynamic going on.

If you captured a general or even a lieutenant (both of whom would have been born gentlemen) you would bring him home and wine him and dine him and show him how civilized you were because, of course, it would be rude to do anything else. He'd roam the grounds with your family and you wouldn't even lock his bedroom door. In return, he wouldn't try to escape, because that would also be rude.

None of which meant that you wouldn't hang him once you had convicted him of treason, or that you would hesitate to run a lower class soldier through with a bayonet.

The whole 'respect' thing was nothing more than a way for the upper classes to demonstrate that they had the taste and sensitivity to recognize 'good breading' when they saw it (which, when you think of it, is a pretty necessary part of the game if you want people to buy into the idea that 'good breading' is actually a thing).

The idea that there was any sort of circumstance under which the racist white power structure of south African apartheid would ever express the same kinds of sentiments about a black resistance fighter is a little rich.

No doubt they would have hung Washington for treason. I am arguing that saying he could be seen as a terrorist is stupid, given that even his enemies did not see him in that way, and there were in fact noble officers on either side who were seen as savages or terrorists. Treason =/= terrorism.

I do respect Nelson Mandela, and most of my criticism is reserved for the bankruptcy of much of his political ideology and the brutality his party, much of which occurred while he was imprisoned. He has a lot of value as a symbol, apart from his views as a politician, and anyone (Kennedy) assailing that is getting into an argument that cannot be won, because few are willing to look behind the symbol.

 

[Kentucky Deluxe]

Man there is so much wrong here I'm not even sure where to start. And its a debate I'd like to have. But I'm watching boxing right now and don't feel like devoting the time.

But RnR was not any where near a communist ideology. I'm thinking you are confusing a few folk singers with RnR. And that early folk movement absolutely hated RnR

maybe we have completely different ideas of what Rock n Roll is/was. When i think rock n roll, i'm thinking Beatles era and how they used music to inspire a destruction of the society. that isn't a Baptist rumor btw. That's been a staple of marxism, statism and totalitarianism. When moral decay takes over an empire or country, the country soon falls. Whether or not that is the product of moral decay or moral decay is a symptom, there's enough evidence to suggest its not a coincidence.

Kids having a good time listening to rock n roll is one thing, but there is no way to deny the ulterior influence breathed into music. Music illicits an emotional response which, iirc, bypasses/shuts down the frontal cortex so information is no longer filtered. This most notably happens in churches when the collection plate is passed around.

 

[ABACA]

maybe we have completely different ideas of what Rock n Roll is/was. When i think rock n roll, i'm thinking Beatles era and how they used music to inspire a destruction of the society. that isn't a Baptist rumor btw. That's been a staple of marxism, statism and totalitarianism. When moral decay takes over an empire or country, the country soon falls. Whether or not that is the product of moral decay or moral decay is a symptom, there's enough evidence to suggest its not a coincidence.

Kids having a good time listening to rock n roll is one thing, but there is no way to deny the ulterior influence breathed into music. Music illicits an emotional response which, iirc, bypasses/shuts down the frontal cortex so information is no longer filtered. This most notably happens in churches when the collection plate is passed around.

What society did rock and roll inspire the destruction of?

 

[CableandThanos]

Are you deliberately being disingenuous?

*The quality of free public education in the US pales in comparison to private education.
Meaning that all other things equal, the poor kid will fall behind compared to his peers.

* Student loans now top $1 trillion in the US.
Once again making it harder for those in the lower class to move up.

* Statistically, being born rich yeilds higher pay.

WTF are you talking about.

Everyone takes the same freggin test (yearly test), it's not like private schools take some other test that regular schools don't. Or that colleges offer different entrance exams. Also the grade requirements are lowered for minorities. And the point is that it is free to everyone.

What does how much loan debt there is have to do with poor people getting everything free. if you are poor and or black you can basically get post high school education for FREE. IT IS THE MIDDLE CLASS THAT HAS TO PAY FOR STUDENT LOANS.

Statistically higher education yields higher pay. What does being rich have to do with anything. That's like saying being born good looking leads to more poon.

 

[jeremyemilio]

No doubt they would have hung Washington for treason. I am arguing that saying he could be seen as a terrorist is stupid, given that even his enemies did not see him in that way, and there were in fact noble officers on either side who were seen as savages or terrorists. Treason =/= terrorism.

I do respect Nelson Mandela, and most of my criticism is reserved for the bankruptcy of much of his political ideology and the brutality his party, much of which occurred while he was imprisoned. He has a lot of value as a symbol, apart from his views as a politician, and anyone (Kennedy) assailing that is getting into an argument that cannot be won, because few are willing to look behind the symbol.

And I'm telling you that his enemies saw him as a 'well bred gentleman' because keeping up the ideology of a natural class structure was a more important consideration than even the politics of revolution and an independent United States... just as Mandela's enemies saw him as a terrorist because keeping up the ideology of a natural race division between 'civil' whites and 'savage' blacks was part and parcel of the conflict at hand.

i.e. You are making a ridiculous comparison that is oblivious to the actual circumstances on the ground.

You might as well argue that Nazi's must be better people than Japanese Americans, given that America imprisoned people of Japanese descent during WWII, and then turned around and hired a Nazi war criminal like Von Braun to take the work he had started with Jewish internment camp slave labour in developing a rocket to kill innocent British citizens and use it to further their space program.

To this day you guys have museums named after that guy. Crazy.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

lol @ the "we need guns to defend from tyrannical government" crew being against the use of guerrilla warfare against a government with racial laws.

The far-right wingism is picking up again on Sherdog lately it seems.

Sherdog was Stormfront Lite for many years, then it kinda died down. But now with the Donald Sterling thing, the Nevada rancher, the effects from the Trayvon ordeal still around, it's catching its second wind.

Whites are under attack, open your eyes people! Diversity just means "hate whitey"!

How come no one makes Japan be "diverse"? Riddle me that one!

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

And I'm telling you that his enemies saw him as a 'well bred gentleman' because keeping up the ideology of a natural class structure was a more important consideration than even the politics of revolution and an independent United States... just as Mandela's enemies saw him as a terrorist because keeping up the ideology of a natural race division between 'civil' whites and 'savage' blacks was part and parcel of the conflict at hand.

i.e. You are making a ridiculous comparison that is oblivious to the actual circumstances on the ground.


To this day you guys have museums named after that guy. Crazy.

Mandela's enemies saw him as a terrorist largely because his party employed terror tactics against both black and white civilians. I personally separate him from that side of his party simply because I think he had little control of his party's actions while in jail.

Washington's enemies respected him because he was an eminently respectable figure. Sweeping generalizations about class structure do not jibe well with the amount of vitriol competing aristocracies of the day were willing to fling at each other.

 

[lfd0311]

How many innocent civilians do you think Kennedy has killed so far? The US sure does kill a lot of them.

none. Dude is a sniper

 

[lfd0311]

It is funny that Tim hates Nelson because of his death squads when he himself was a deathsquad killing poor Iraqis trying to defend their homes from foreign occupation.

Murica at its best.

You're an idiot

 

[lfd0311]

Lol American's still labeling people as communist, I guess all propaganda really sunk in over the last half a century, even now in 2014 you guys still tremble at the though of 'commies.'

Sooo.... an organization that was part of the South African COMMUNIST Party.... isnt really communist?

 

[Groundmaster]

You are the one who is uneducated, the reason he was in prison all those years is because he had a death squad that killed any one who disagreed with him, white or black, he did not care. He was a committed communist, and did not believe in freedom. The left wing in this country made him a star, but I bet his after death trip was down not up.

No, so what and wtf.

 

[Groundmaster]

And how totally unproserpous it is now

SA as a whole was NOT more prosperous during segregation.

 

[Groundmaster]

I wondered how long it would take one of you folks to show up...

You mean sb who is not high on soldiers testicles?

 

[Groundmaster]

lol @ the "we need guns to defend from tyrannical government" crew being against the use of guerrilla warfare against a government with racial laws.

This.

 

[lfd0311]

You mean sb who is not high on soldiers testicles?

Nope, I meant someone who is absolutely, completely ignorant about what happened in Iraq, but talks about it in an obnoxiously superior manner like they "get it" and everyone else is just a knuckle dragging, flag waving, mullet having, over patriotic idiot.

 

[lfd0311]

SA as a whole was NOT more prosperous during segregation.

Yes, it was. SA has one of the world's worst economies

 

[Groundmaster]

Yes, it was. SA has one of the world's worst economies

No it wasn't and it has not. You just show your utter ignorance by stating these blatant falsehoods.

 

[lfd0311]

No it wasn't and it has not. You just show your utter ignorance by stating these blatant falsehoods.

Sure thing. Because their economy is so great right now...

 

[Groundmaster]

Nope, I meant someone who is absolutely, completely ignorant about what happened in Iraq,

The US went in under a deliberatly planted false flag operation (much like Germanys invasion of Poland) and supplanted a violent militaristic dictator with an unstable democracy being (directly or indirectly) responsible for the deaths of well over a 100k civilians.

but talks about it in an obnoxiously superior manner like they "get it" and everyone else is just a knuckle dragging, flag waving, mullet having, over patriotic idiot.

But you are - obviously.