Tim Kennedy's right wing views?

[Squarechoke]

But then Kennedy may believe that his causes were somehow more just, since he was involved in them and possibly therefore had a better understanding of them than he has of the social and political situation in SA over the past few decades.

I guess that's what I really was trying to say: since we can say for certain that Mandela did participate in atrocities how anyone judges his life will be a matter of individual values, knowledge of the environment Mandela operated in and so forth. I certainly don't think anyone who doesn't consider Mandela a hero should be vilified for that in any way.

I'm not going to speculate further on what Kennedy believes in since I just don't know enough. I was just putting things in some perspective.

Mandela was certainly no saint and I'm not vilifying Kennedy for having an opinion, regardless if I agree with it or not. I did find it a bit funny with that picture though, as we probably all remember (edit: that was stated as a gross exaggeration of the average age here) how deathly afraid much of the western world was of communism.

 

[Squarechoke]

Perfect comment. You get the gold.

Agreed, that comment was spot on.

 

[Robespierre]

so many people are easily manipulated, persecution is only matter of time (e.g. mccarthy era etc...).

 

[ithinktheymad]

South africa was extremely racist country where black people were second class citizens, but it seems that here in sherdog the history is different.

I can't imagine how treating people like dog shit in their homeland that you invaded could possibly have any fucked up consequences. I'm sure Tim Kennedy never killed anyone in the name of any political ideology either.

 

[Elbower]

makes me look like a








Zulu!

 

[countswagula]

There are different ways of elevating an oppressed group. The US is a great example of that it's not enough just to give people freedom after such events. Within my parents lifetime black people couldn't even sit everywhere they wanted on a bus, and it's very naive to think that various groups aren't treated differently even today. It's a gradual process that takes a long time to get going.

You don't have to elevate people by just giving them money, you can do it in other ways as well. You mention education and that's one way to complement it.

Welfare hasn't sent my country down the drain though. We have consistently had a pretty well educated population and are consistently ranked in the top among countries to live in and happy populations. If anything we've rated lower when we've had governments that take away some of the welfare. Welfare in itself can't be the problem.

Sweden has a completely disproportionate wealth to population ratio compared to most other countries in the world, including the US. Just because the exceptionally wealthy scandinavian countries can support it, doesn't mean it's not a fundamentally harmful practice, since it has a tendency to destroy the traditional family structure which has been shown to be fundamental to the upbringing of children.

 

[spankdaddy]

Thread derailment... I love how the immature, intolerent or want-to-be political science types on this forum love to take any advantage of something Kennedy expressed about a political figure with a very two-sided history. So what... he seems to view Madela's early history as being more significant than the later.

Does a fighter's every freely spoken comment--especially when it was not that harsh--have to fucking spiral out of control and become a Dem vs Rep or a Capitalism vs Communism thread... /sigh

Tim Kennedy can criticize whomever he wants, but other people have just as much right to criticize Tim Kennedy for it. Yes, discussion often gets tangential and unwieldy, but I don't think it's all immature.

I got a little tired from all the praise Mandela received after his death, but he was the greatest living symbol for equal rights on the planet and I think he deserves credit for that.

 

[Rittsy]

Can't we all just go back to ripping on Dana White?

 

[Hagelslag2]

As a Dutch person, I'll just say that knowing the history of the Netherlands and "apartheid" being the most famous Dutch word in the world makes that I am always very careful about calling anyone a terrorist. As a white Dutch person I definitely do not feel guilty for what happened long before I was born, but that doesn't mean I don't understand certain grievances that still exist in our own country and the countries we once called our colonies.

 

[Codpiece]

I'm not going to speculate further on what Kennedy believes in since I just don't know enough. I was just putting things in some perspective.

Mandela was certainly no saint and I'm not vilifying Kennedy for having an opinion, regardless if I agree with it or not. I did find it a bit funny with that picture though, as we probably all remember (edit: that was stated as a gross exaggeration of the average age here) how deathly afraid much of the western world was of communism.

I wasn't trying to suggest you were vilifying Kennedy yourself, simply observing that it seems to be happening and that it is (IMO) a mistake to do so. I certainly agree that the image and the symbol it contains seems to make some people view Mandela more or less favourably, regardless of whether they know the facts about Mandela's life or not.

I support you putting things in perspective - as with most things in life, characterising Mandela as a pure saint or a total sinner misses the mark. The truth is almost always somewhere in between.

 

[CTYankee]

It was all quite ridiculous, but this was so... American... it hurt the brain:

If by American you mean awesome, I'm not sure why it hurt your brain?

Third world education?

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

Looking for white meat? Do you realize your paranoia? Sure, whites are subject to horrible violence, but so is everyone else. Most criminals live in poor areas and most people in those areas are black. This is true both in the US and South Africa. The most common targets of violence are blacks themselves.

In the US yes but in Africa it's a bit different, there are actually black supremacist groups that target white people.
Not to mention negative affirmative action, there is a limit of how many white people can go to college etc and other stupid stuff.
Apartheid was bad, everybody knows that but what Mandela brought was also bad, it's all good to fight against a tyrannical government if your end goal is to create something good in the end, he just created a black dominated government that is now prejudiced against the minority white. What happened? White people fled the country and now it went from one of the most advanced countries in the world to a idh of 0.600~ filled with aids shithole.

That's the same stuff that is going on in Syria or Libya, while they had terrible dictators they were not overthrown/being opposed by freedom loving groups but by Al Qaeda and tribal militias.
Another comparison is what happened in Europe after WW2 in the east, sure the nazis were bad and they were defeated, by fucking Stalin who oppressed countries like Poland just as badly as Hitler, or maybe a little less badly.

So, there isn't much to celebrate about mandela.

 

[Billthebutcher2]

Yeah Kennedy is basically an idiot about politics, you hear him talk about it at all and it's cringe-inducing. Seems like a pretty intelligent guy otherwise, but ideology makes a fools out of people much smarter than he is.

 

[countswagula]

Tim Kennedy can criticize whomever he wants, but other people have just as much right to criticize Tim Kennedy for it. Yes, discussion often gets tangential and unwieldy, but I don't think it's all immature.

I got a little tired from all the praise Mandela received after his death, but he was the greatest living symbol for equal rights on the planet and I think he deserves credit for that.

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A false symbol fabricated under a political agenda has no merit at all.

 

[Elbower]

was not to oppress Blacks but to protect and preserve the Whites because of their status as a minority.

 

[Sherm]

I want to hear about more Tim Kennedy views.

 

[kashmir]

was not to oppress Blacks but to protect and preserve the Whites because of their status as a minority.

Goal of Nazism was to create an independent and cohesive society based on agriculture.

 

[Exemplar]

Tim Kennedy can criticize whomever he wants, but other people have just as much right to criticize Tim Kennedy for it. Yes, discussion often gets tangential and unwieldy, but I don't think it's all immature.

I got a little tired from all the praise Mandela received after his death, but he was the greatest living symbol for equal rights on the planet and I think he deserves credit for that.

My point was not that Kennedy shouldnt have to defend any public comments hes made. My point was that it doesnt have to spiral into an all-out debate over a myriad of socio-political topics. Clearly the guy is in the "Mandela is not a saint group," the topic should remain there...

 

[Elbower]

The man doesn't kiss ass,true American!

 

[Robespierre]

Nothing has changed, jacob zuma is corrupted scum