Social Tim Kennedy, trained SF Sniper, sounds off on the Trump shooting

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Lots of conflicting information. It’s premature to pass judgment about incompetence or negligence. I will be the first to throw stone when it comes to the protection of a presidential nominee. I will wait for all of the facts to come in. How did the shooter even get on the roof? I’ve been at several events for Trump and there is no way you can get anything going that close to him. My first advanced team mission as a sniper was for President Obama in Haiti. This is not standard operating procedures.
I measured it on OnX 150.1 yards. Is this complete negligence and incompetence or was intentional?



edit - The IG vid seemed to be cutoff, I'll update when I find the rest.
 
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I'll see Tim's question and raise him with, "Why wasn't there a USSS agent or even a local LEO on the roof in the first place?"

There were two snipers on the roof behind Trump, but none on the roof where the sniper fired from.

Mighty darn fishy.
 
Looks like somebody from the secret service didn’t get off their stool in time to react
 
This is another Army trained sniper giving his take on things.

He thinks the caliber is .223 suppressed from a semi-automatic rifle from the audio. Based on the distance, it's an easy shot apparently for any person with half-decent training. The Army sniper doesn't think the shooter had formal training.

 
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DanSavage said:
I'll see Tim's question and raise him with, "Why wasn't there a USSS agent or even a local LEO on the roof in the first place?"

There were two snipers on the roof behind Trump, but none on the roof where the sniper fired from.

Mighty darn fishy.
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Like I said in the original thread - didn't we go through this with JFK? How could this happen?

Protocol has been lax, I guess. This will change things.
 
It seems like a huge security lapse. Looking at the map of the place, this whole industrial complex would be a big priority to have security on. It's about 130-150 meters to where Trump was speaking. There could have been things in the way, but that shot is relatively easy for someone with decent training.

Was he trying for a headshot or was that the only part he could target? Why didn't they have someone on those roofs? There were two snipers on the roof directly behind Trump trained on that area.

I can't believe this was some sort of conspiracy, but it would have to be a serious fuck up. Tim Kennedy is an idiot, so I generally don't take what he says seriously.
 
DanSavage said:
I'll see Tim's question and raise him with, "Why wasn't there a USSS agent or even a local LEO on the roof in the first place?"

There were two snipers on the roof behind Trump, but none on the roof where the sniper fired from.

Mighty darn fishy.
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Kingz said:
Looks like somebody from the secret service didn’t get off their stool in time to react
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It’s normal
 
AldoStillGoat said:
Is the SS really that incompetent? I saw a clip of a woman trying to holster her weapon like ten times but being unable to. Anyway, politics aside I’m glad Trump is okay. Don’t forget we are all Americans, red or blue.
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They did kill the sniper within seconds, surrounded the candidate and got him out of there. So not completely incompetent. The questions should focus no their prep and whether it was any different than normal - most of us have no idea what the normal procedure looks like and without knowing that, we can't really pass accurate judgment.
 
Vergilius said:
They did kill the sniper within seconds, surround the candidate and got him out of there. So not completely incompetent. The questions should focus no their prep and whether it was any different than normal - most of us have no idea what the normal procedure looks like and without knowing that, we can't really pass accurate judgment.
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True but not having eyes on the roof is weird.
 
SSgt Dickweed said:
The Army sniper doesn't think the shooter had formal training.
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I'm former Army (not a sniper but a very good shot) and could have called that one. In sniper school one of the biggest things they teach is cover/concielment.

If the shooter had chosen a better (less obvious) position he didn't have to worry about counter-snipers, where he could relax and concentrate on his breathing, and getting his heartrate close to his normal BPM..... Trump would be dead.

So yeah, it waa quite obvious he had no training, and that this was a lone wolf attack because someone with.... not merely training, but some creativity, would have made that shot.

BTW, I watched half the video with the sniper and I'm not sure he's accounting for the target being a 450-foot headshot. Saying he's trained people to make pistol shots at 80 yards? Headshots? Sorry that sounds like some bullshit CoD players would make up.

So far we've only heard the shooter's rifle was an assault rifle.
*Unknown Caliber.
*Unknown Optics.
And we don't know how long he was on that rooftop before he took the shot to get comfortable, and its very probable his BPM was 150+ and coyld be in a state of mild shock because he knew he was going to die.
 
GearSolidMetal said:
I'm former Army (not a sniper but a very good shot) and could have called that one. In sniper school one of the biggest things they teach is cover/concielment.

If the shooter had chosen a better (less obvious) position he didn't have to worry about counter-snipers, where he could relax and concentrate on his breathing, and getting his heartrate close to his normal BPM..... Trump would be dead.

So yeah, it waa quite obvious he had no training, and that this was a lone wolf attack because someone with.... not merely training, but some creativity, would have made that shot.

BTW, I watched half the video with the sniper and I'm not sure he's accounting for the target being a 450-foot headshot. Saying he's trained people to make pistol shots at 80 yards? Headshots? Sorry that sounds like some bullshit CoD players would make up.

So far we've only heard the shooter's rifle was an assault rifle.
*Unknown Caliber.
*Unknown Optics.
And we don't know how long he was on that rooftop before he took the shot to get comfortable, and its very probable his BPM was 150+ and coyld be in a state of mild shock because he knew he was going to die.
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There were also people literally filming him and screaming as he was readying to take the shot.
 
The Diplomat said:
Like I said in the original thread - didn't we go through this with JFK? How could this happen?

Protocol has been lax, I guess. This will change things.
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The Secret Service did not have a good game.

I got a massive Freedom Boner at Trump's Captain America moment, and I don't even live here. But if your Principal has just been shot, and there might be more rounds incoming, you don't allow him to stand and pose under Old Glory. No matter how incredibly Fuck You Cool it looks.

Trump should have been covered in agents who look like they were recruited from NFL Offensive Lineman, picked up and ran off the stage. The only time he should have stopped moving was when they literally threw his ass into the car.

Shockingly poor performance by what is supposed to be the world's best VIP security agency. Everyone from the director on down should be looking for new jobs.
 
DoctorTaco said:
I read it was 400m away
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abcnews.go.com

The Secret Service is investigating how a gunman who shot and injured Trump was able to get so close

The U.S. Secret Service is investigating how a gunman armed with an AR-style rifle was able to get close enough to shoot and injure former President Donald Trump at his rally in Pennsylvania
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

The roof was less than 150 meters (yards) from where Trump was speaking, a distance from which a decent marksman could reasonably hit a human-sized target. For reference, 150 meters is a distance at which U.S. Army recruits must hit a scaled human-sized silhouette to qualify with the M16 assault rifle in basic training. The AR-15, like the shooter at the Trump rally had, is the semi-automatic civilian version of the military M16.
 
Hog-train said:
There were also people literally filming him and screaming as he was readying to take the shot.
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I believe it, but I'm surprised I haven't seen any footage of it.

This is a case of 'Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance' which there was many factors that came into play the shooter did not predict that fucked up his aim.... Thank God.
 
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