Till vs Wonderboy

[Dankoz]

Darren is almost twice of his size, for fuck's sake & if you take look at their boxing skills it's not even close for real. Darren has extremely good defense against kicks and Mr. Thompson won't be able to throw his legs. Poor Thompson will get smashed badly.

 

[sampuncher]

Darren is almost twice of his size, for fuck's sake & if you take look at their boxing skills it's not even close for real. Darren has extremely good defense against kicks and Mr. Thompson won't be able to throw his legs. Poor Thompson will get smashed badly.

Admit it, you're basing that off the one fight you've seen of Tills arent you?

 

[Dankoz]

Admit it, you're basing that off the one fight you've seen of Tills arent you?

Definitely not. I've seen his last three fights with live broadcast. He has excellent movement & timing and has always been able to make opponent fight his fight. He is young guy, improvement has been significant fight after fight and i don't really see that anyone in this division could strike with Darren anymore at this point. First round KO, heard it from here first.

 

[Hotora86]

Bet accepted.

Your signature shall be "Darren Till is a legend and Muay Thai > Karate" if he wins and vice versa for me if Wonderboy wins, it's embarrassing enough to wear such a signature IMO you in for this bet?

*EDIT*

ps: and your avatar shall be Darren Till if he wins, and mine Wonderboy if he wins.

Both the avatar and signature to be kept for 1 month.

Wow, embarrassing indeed... OK LET'S DO IT!

 

[Goon Dog]

Does Wonderboys stock rise if he defeats Till decisively? I would definitely think Tills would go up if he beats WB

Stephen gains nothing from this fight, and that's probably why his camp tried to avoid it. If WB wins, then he beat a fighter who was not ready and WB was supposed to win the fight. If WB loses, he becomes a gatekeeper. If Till wins, he's a phenom and is boosted up the ladder. If he loses, he fought too soon and will get another shot. Really, this is all win for Till and neutral at best for Thompson.

 

[mikebkr]

Till is big and mentally strong, Wonderboy will have his work cut out but I think his speed, movement and accuracy will be too much for Till to deal with. Till will probably have some success but I don't see him finishing Wonderboy or outpointing him. Wonderboy has an incredible chin and recovery, I don't see Till having more power in his hands than Woodley and he couldn't put Wonderboy away with clean bombs. Woodley by UD but I don't think he'll embarrass Till.

 

[Dankoz]

Woodley also proved that you don't need to catch WB many times and he goes down. I know Till hasn't proved that much, but trust me his hands will be way too much for Thompson who doesn't even block.

 

[JayPettryMMA]

I love Cowboy as much as the next guy, but it's a giant step up in competition from two-fight losing streak Cowboy to Wonderboy. I wonder if Till is going to try to rush in on Wonderboy to stop the kicks from happening, and work him against the cage or try to tire him out. I think Wonderboy has the tools to get it done, but stranger things have happened.

 

[Tayski]

Bet accepted.

Your signature shall be "Darren Till is a legend. Muay Thai > Karate" and your avatar shall be a picture of Darren Till if he wins and vice versa for me if Wonderboy wins, it's embarrassing enough to wear such a signature IMO you in for this bet?

Both the avatar and signature to be kept for 1 month.

Wow, embarrassing indeed... OK LET'S DO IT!

@Hotora86 Cone on buddy, fix that lovely signature and avatar

 

[Hotora86]

@Hotora86 Cone on buddy, fix that lovely signature and avatar

Do you seriously think Till won that fight? I don't. I scored it 47-48 for Wonderboy and so did all the media:
http://www.mmadecisions.com/decision/9085/Darren-Till-vs-Stephen-Thompson

I mean it was close and maybe a split decision win for Till wouldn't be shocking but 49-46 from two judges is just mad. The only thing that Till clearly won is the weigh-in. Does the bet even still count with Till going full Dern?

Honestly, I watched a couple interviews before the fight and I thought I could side with Till in future fights. I mean he's cocky but not disrespectful and obviously a very talented young man who could give us an entertaining fight against Woodley. But then he missed weight badly and I found an interview when he boasts that he's a LHW fighting at WW and "the UFC can't do anything about it". That's low, I can't respect that.

https://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/dar...shouldnt-legally-allowed-fight-welterweights/

But after all is said and done, the official (bullshit) decision is that Till won. So if you *really* *genuinely* think that he did - go ahead and pick a Till avatar for me.

 

[Tayski]

Do you seriously think Till won that fight? I don't. I scored it 47-48 for Wonderboy and so did all the media:
http://www.mmadecisions.com/decision/9085/Darren-Till-vs-Stephen-Thompson

I mean it was close and maybe a split decision win for Till wouldn't be shocking but 49-46 from two judges is just mad. The only thing that Till clearly won is the weigh-in. Does the bet even still count with Till going full Dern?

Honestly, I watched a couple interviews before the fight and I thought I could side with Till in future fights. I mean he's cocky but not disrespectful and obviously a very talented young man who could give us an entertaining fight against Woodley. But then he missed weight badly and I found an interview when he boasts that he's a LHW fighting at WW and "the UFC can't do anything about it". That's low, I can't respect that.

https://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/dar...shouldnt-legally-allowed-fight-welterweights/

But after all is said and done, the official (bullshit) decision is that Till won. So if you *really* *genuinely* think that he did - go ahead and pick a Till avatar for me.

Do you understand how betting work? It doesn't matter what you thought, it's the outcome that counts, and as far as I know Darren Till got the unanimous decision.

I agree that it was a close fight however I cannot consider Wonderboy the winner. Not only he was going backwards the whole fight with often times his back against the cage and Till having to chase him around, but he also got proper knocked down in the last round and nearly finished. If you want to talk about number of strikes (which I don't usually like doing), Till actually landed more overall strikes, more significant strikes, and more strikes in rounds 3, 4 and 5 as you can see here:
http://www.fightmetric.com/fight-details/cd117bfce747184f

Wonderboy chose for the fight to happen when he didn't have to because of the weigh in, so let's not bring that into the discussion. There's only one score that counts when betting and it's the official score, Till beat Wonderboy by unanimous decision.

It's kinda lame of you to call people out for a bet on this forum just because you're 100% sure that WB will win, but when he doesn't win and you lose your bet you refuse to accept the consequences. That's actually very cowardly.

@AndyMaBobs @Azam See how brave that Hotora guy is.

 

[Hotora86]

It's kinda lame of you to call people out for a bet on this forum just because you're 100% sure that WB will win, but when he doesn't win and you lose your bet you refuse to accept the consequences. That's actually very cowardly.

@AndyMaBobs @Azam See how brave that Hotora guy is.

Why are you accusing me of backing out? I'm not backing out. I said:

But after all is said and done, the official (bullshit) decision is that Till won. So if you *really* *genuinely* think that he did - go ahead and pick a Till avatar for me.

I guess You really do think Till won and that's fine with me. I'm gonna change my sig and av right now. I'm a man of my word and I will stay classy in defeat, even if I don't agree - like Wonderboy did.

 

[Tayski]

Why are you accusing me of backing out?

Because you didn't change avatar or signature until now.

I'm gonna change my sig and av right now. I'm a man of my word and I will stay classy in defeat, even if I don't agree - like Wonderboy did.

Fair play to you but putting "I lost a SIG + AV bet. Karate will be back!" between your username and avatar is kinda lame though. I guess you really don't want to lose face...

 

[Hotora86]

Because you didn't change avatar or signature until now.

Fair play to you but putting "I lost a SIG + AV bet. Karate will be back!" between your username and avatar is kinda lame though. I guess you really don't want to lose face...

Oh deary me, I was supposed to change everything as soon as the decision was announced? Come on, don't be like that.

The bet didn't say anything about the belt status message so I can put anything I like in there. Now you're just nitpicking. The bet was about me changing my sig and av, not about me honestly believing that MT > Karate.

Though if you consider prize fighting with boxing gloves then I might as well say that MT will prepare you better for that than Karate. I don't have a problem admitting it. Hope it makes you even happier.

 

[Tayski]

Oh deary me, I was supposed to change everything as soon as the decision was announced? Come on, don't be like that.

The bet didn't say anything about the belt status message so I can put anything I like in there. Now you're just nitpicking. The bet was about me changing my sig and av, not about me honestly believing that MT > Karate.

Though if you consider prize fighting with boxing gloves then I might as well say that MT will prepare you better for that than Karate. I don't have a problem admitting it. Hope it makes you even happier.

The point of the bet was to be embarrassing by making people think you really believed those things, but indeed nothing was said about the belt status message so if you want to "nitpick" to keep face I don't really care

That last sentence doesn't make me "even happier" by the way. Unlike you and many others I am not a style elitist by being either pro karate or pro MT or pro whatever else. I have a Shotokan Karate and then Kyokushin Karate background and now I do Muay Thai, I don't restrict myself to one style or believe one is superior to another but I know you're a bit like that about Karate hence why I thought this signature and avatar change would be a real embarrassing pain for you, and it seems I was right lol.

 

[Hotora86]

The point of the bet was to be embarrassing by making people think you really believed those things, but indeed nothing was said about the belt status message so if you want to "nitpick" to keep face I don't really care

That last sentence doesn't make me "even happier" by the way. Unlike you and many others I am not a style elitist by being either pro karate or pro MT or pro whatever else. I have a Shotokan Karate and then Kyokushin Karate background and now I do Muay Thai, I don't restrict myself to one style or believe one is superior to another but I know you're a bit like that about Karate hence why I thought this signature and avatar change would be a real embarrassing pain for you, and it seems I was right lol.

Sure it's a bit embarrassing but I'm not elitist either. MT is an awesome martial art and under kickboxing rules it's definitely more optimal to train than, say, Shotokan. Again, I have no issue saying that. I even took that disclaimer from the belt title out so that nobody can accuse me of wiggling out of the bet.

So after all is said and done I hope we can still respect each other.

 

[AndyMaBobs]

Okay fellas @Hotora86 @Tayski - I picked Till for the win and I did a breakdown as to how I thought he could do it on Diesel's article section (in my signature gotta shill bbe)

But as for the actual fight itself. Till according to fight metric, which at the moment is the ONLY source we have for punch stats, landed more and landed at a higher percentage. He had the only knockdown of the fight, Wonderboy wasn't attacking the body, and was denied the side kick because of Till's forward pressure and checks.

So while it may not have been an entertaining fight, aand certainly not the fight that I was hoping for, Till did do enough to get the win - especially in accordance with the newer scoring rules that value damage over point scoring.

 

[Hotora86]

Okay fellas @Hotora86 @Tayski - I picked Till for the win and I did a breakdown as to how I thought he could do it on Diesel's article section (in my signature gotta shill bbe)

But as for the actual fight itself. Till according to fight metric, which at the moment is the ONLY source we have for punch stats, landed more and landed at a higher percentage. He had the only knockdown of the fight, Wonderboy wasn't attacking the body, and was denied the side kick because of Till's forward pressure and checks.

So while it may not have been an entertaining fight, aand certainly not the fight that I was hoping for, Till did do enough to get the win - especially in accordance with the newer scoring rules that value damage over point scoring.