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So there is a guy I train with that has really good wrestling. He has an excellent base and is really good at staying on his feet and keeping top position.

The issue I have with him is that he stubbornly stays on top. If you get him on his back he starts spazzing a like crazy, well not spazzing but he seems to panic and moves fast to get back on top. I don't have a problem with that.

The problem I have is I injured him a few days ago. He was standing like he always does so I stand up clinch him and go for an ankle pick. He immediately sprawls out and gets to combat base. I still have the ankle and start driving my forehead and then shoulder into his knee so he will fall back. People usually fall back due to the pressure on the knee. I've done this many times on other people and they fall back and try and pull guard or something like that. I start passing at that point as I have one leg pinned to the ground and I start a knee slide pass.

Well this guy refuses to fall backward and actually turns his knee to try and relieve the pressure I guess. Well I hear a sick tearing sound coming from his knee. He continues rolling. I can't get him down with that shoulder drive because of the way he has moved his body. Since he didn't fall back and is stubbornly staying on top I keep pushing. Somehow he gets his leg out then starts taking my back and then the round ends.

So he stands up and is limping around the mat now holding onto his knee. I know I would have fell backwards in that situation. I feel bad. I think that his injury is worse than what he is telling me. But don't you think he should have at least tried to work his guard a little bit. He hates it when I'm working top game and it seems to me his goal is to win at all costs. I don't think it's worth it to destroy your body because you refuse to be on your back. Should I have backed down? Or was he just completely wrong. My coach told me he fucked himself and not to feel bad. I just keep hearing that sick tearing sound. By the way I like this guy and we get along. So I have mixed feelings about this.
 
Better roll like a wuss and accept some losses and roll a lot

than roll like an alpha, never giving nothing and be injured all the time

Each time I'm too stubborn I take way more risks to get injured

At some point, I understand the MMA guys about to go fight in a cage or the competive that wants to make it a career, for sure you can't give up top position or points

But for the average guy... It's BJJ, there's so many ways to come back to a neutral position. Sure you try to sprawl but at some point, just make sure you end up in a good defensive position like knee shield and work from there.

If you have a good complete game, who cares about getting tipped over or swept. You go from there and work from your guard.

We have some very weak joints in our buddy and some small bones that can break from nothing. Why risk an ankle injury , breaking fingers or knee injury just to not get into bottom position
 
Why would you feel bad. Did it to himself.

There is some nuance in that if you're experienced you probably should let go if someone puts themselves in a vulnerable position but ultimately, it's on him. He was in a vulnerable position and continued to try to push
 
For how long this guy has been grappling bjj? and you?
When I first started I was probably like this guy. Kind of strong for my weight, so I was always trying to be on top position by force and didnt tap to armbars until was kind of late. As a result I was always nicked up. I only realized that I was being stupid when the higher belts started to toy with me, just putting fucking pressure on the whole roll. I had no guard, tried to force some shit and my already bum knee (from b-ball) hurt on a supposedly light roll. Limping for the whole month while having to go up and down stairs on my job sucked.
But I feel you, even though it's not your fault it sucks. Recently I was rolling with I girl who has a higher belt and a way better bjj, I was going light. For some random chance I got her arm on a scramble, I didn't try to rip a fast sub, just pulled it slowly while waiting her to tap or show me some escape. As she didnt tap I kept pulling until I heard a pop. She didnt tap because of pride, totally her fault. But it dont change the fact that I still feel bad for hurting a woman. The side eyes I get dont help either
 
Sounds like a spazzy white belt wrestler.
Back when I was also a white belt I had a training partner that was like that.
One time I had him in side control and I was going for a straight far side arm lock the kind where you pinch their wrist between your ear and your shoulder and crank their elbow with your two hands or your wrist with a gable grip.
Anyway, instead of tapping he's trying to roll out of it or something, and I'm just following him continuing to add pressure and he suddenly had nowhere left to roll to, and he tried suddenly just spazzing backwards, going right against the pressure I was applying as I rolling the opposite direction and his elbow popped LOUD and he screamed, and I just let go, but it was too late. He was upset with me even though he knew it was an accident and he more or less caused it.

My coach however said I hadn't done anything wrong, and actually said Why would you put yourself in such a stupid position lmao 🤣

Anyway, he was just a white belt, but a good wrestler and a good white belt. He was roommates with one of our better 4 stripe blues (this was the early 2000s when black belts were harder to find than virgin strippers) who was a core team member, and I would ask him about this guy and he said the elbow was still bothering him, and I quit asking after a couple of months, but the dude never came back.

I felt bad about it, but HE DID IT TO HIMSELF. Same as what your guy did, but his elbow instead of his knee.

THEIR FAULT!!!
 
mattemate said:
Sounds like a spazzy white belt wrestler.
Back when I was also a white belt I had a training partner that was like that.
One time I had him in side control and I was going for a straight far side arm lock the kind where you pinch their wrist between your ear and your shoulder and crank their elbow with your two hands or your wrist with a gable grip.
Anyway, instead of tapping he's trying to roll out of it or something, and I'm just following him continuing to add pressure and he suddenly had nowhere left to roll to, and he tried suddenly just spazzing backwards, going right against the pressure I was applying as I rolling the opposite direction and his elbow popped LOUD and he screamed, and I just let go, but it was too late. He was upset with me even though he knew it was an accident and he more or less caused it.

My coach however said I hadn't done anything wrong, and actually said Why would you put yourself in such a stupid position lmao 🤣

Anyway, he was just a white belt, but a good wrestler and a good white belt. He was roommates with one of our better 4 stripe blues (this was the early 2000s when black belts were harder to find than virgin strippers) who was a core team member, and I would ask him about this guy and he said the elbow was still bothering him, and I quit asking after a couple of months, but the dude never came back.

I felt bad about it, but HE DID IT TO HIMSELF. Same as what your guy did, but his elbow instead of his knee.

THEIR FAULT!!!
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That's insane. What's crazier is the guy had the nerve to get mad at you.
 
Yeah I mean I felt bad. We always rolled really competitively so he was pissed that I put it on so strong, but I didn't have the angle quite right. We were definitely young, competitive white belts that had no concept of flow rolling or anything like that lol
C'est la vie, shit happens
 
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