This is what Jon Jones's record would look like if he fought the same level of competion Fedor did.

[KillerElite]

Umm Hendo was gonna knock Jones head off lol.

He was going to die via elbows

 

[BRASIL WAND]

He fought Fabricio June 26 10 lol. He turned 33 in September you buffoon. Can you do math ?

Born in September 1976, fought Wedum June 2010.

He was 33 going on 34, bud.


Do it on your calculator lol.

 

[Beejay Pin]

I'm not a Jones fan I'm just a realist. OSP is listed at 6'4" like Jones.I Know that's not always accurate, but did you watch the fight? They looked to be the same size when they were both barefoot and standing in the cage together. Jones may have an Inch on him, but OSP is thicker and bigger physically. Even if Jones is an inch taller that does not make him significantly bigger.

You didn't say bigger. You said the same height.

Mate, you are off your face, try getting some sleep and come back when you are sober.

 

[BRASIL WAND]

GSP avenged both of his losses in violent fashion. He is the Best HW but not the best overall. That goes to GSP.

I can respect the argument for GSP, despite not being a fan of his style I've always had him in my Top 3 GOAT convo.


However to say Fedor doesnt belong in GOAT convos or to discredit him like some of the new fans do is flat out ignorant.

 

[Beejay Pin]

Maybe because Dan Henderson was juiced to the gills on TRT and Fedor was natrually declining after the age of 33 like most natural athletes do.

Before Hendo got on TRT he was known as "Decision Dan" but i bet you werent watching then.

Then he starts abusing TRT in 2007 and starts knocking the fuck out of people.

Then TRT gets Banned and Hendo is getting mopped by everyone these days.

The guy's resoning, and even reading ability is shot.

He literally said 'the same height', and then went on a rant to me for whatever reason, saying 'height isn't size, he was bigger, bla bla bla' - kid's probably had his first vodka cruiser and is off his tits hahahaha

 

[JollyRants]

Born in September 1976, fought Wedum June 2010.

He was 33 going on 34, bud.


Do it on your calculator lol.

Oh yeah true but he still was 6 years older than Dan Henderson, and got put to sleep. Dan was almost 40.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

I'm not a Jones fan I'm just a realist. OSP is listed at 6'4" like Jones.I Know that's not always accurate, but did you watch the fight? They looked to be the same size when they were both barefoot and standing in the cage together. Jones may have an Inch on him, but OSP is thicker and bigger physically. Even if Jones is an inch taller that does not make him significantly bigger.

Lol. OSP is eye level with Jones' mouth

 

[JollyRants]

I can respect the argument for GSP, despite not being a fan of his style I've always had him in my Top 3 GOAT convo.


However to say Fedor doesnt belong in GOAT convos or to discredit him like some of the new fans do is flat out ignorant.

Dude GSP is number 1.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Yes AA, Timmy, Randleman, and Lindland were.


As far as the sport advancing yeah, today's athletes are definitely taking the sport to a new level with new training methods, accessibility to better coaching, etc. Stuff is insane.


I understand the excitement over the new gen, but some newer fans feel like they have to discredit the old gem simply due to ignorance and it's not right.

GSP, Andy, and Fedor were special to watch during their runs because because you knew somehow they were going to pull off victories almost certainly lol

Coleman was a UFC first also.

The fighters are just better in today's MMA.

You also have to look at the era someone was in.

The old days had fighters who were specialist in a single art form.

 

[BRASIL WAND]

Oh yeah true but he still was 6 years older than Dan Henderson, and got put to sleep. Dan was almost 40.

You keep repeating the same line over and over... What part of TRT don't you understand?

Everything Hendo touched around that time he concussed lol.

With your previous roid accusations I would expect you to be a little less tolerant on hendos crazy TRT use back then


Whos MMAs GOAT in your opinion?

 

[Beejay Pin]

Lol. OSP is eye level with Jones' mouth

TS is so full of shit it isn't really even worth reading his posts.

His whole argument is shot to pieces, and every second post is incorrect or he's actually arguing with himself.

Fedor is still GOAT, the only fighters that don't think so are the ones that may be fighting Jones so they hype him up and in oSP's case, don't even go in looking to try!

 

[Katsumi Yamada]

Arlovski was #2

 

[SlicerDM]

Coleman was a UFC first also.

The fighters are just better in today's MMA.

You also have to look at the era someone was in.

The old days had fighters who were specialist in a single art form.

Yah, that's why the HW division is run by Pride a fighter with multiple old era fighters still in it, yah.

lol@ evolution, biggest bullshit in MMA.

 

[Steve-French]

Lol. OSP is eye level with Jones' mouth

This proves nothing. Jones could be wearing Hiking boots and OSP could be wearing flipflops. Plus a still picture doesn't proof shit. It depends on who is standing in the foreground. The appeared to be close to the same height during their fight.

 

[BRASIL WAND]

Dude GSP is number 1.

I dont agree but thats a fair pick.

However you don't have to detract from Fedor's legacy to defend your choice.

As long as it's Andy, GSP, or Fedor I have no problem.


Heck if BJ would've retired before the Frankie fights, he would've been in the GOAT convo imo.

 

[Repsac]

Fedor fought 5 times a year so the fact that he fought a few cans inbetween doesn't matter. GSP and Anderson both lost to cans so taking a few extra fights against cans is not a minus in my book. It just means you're active and putting your record on the line.

 

[Steve-French]

TS is so full of shit it isn't really even worth reading his posts.

His whole argument is shot to pieces, and every second post is incorrect or he's actually arguing with himself.

Fedor is still GOAT, the only fighters that don't think so are the ones that may be fighting Jones so they hype him up and in oSP's case, don't even go in looking to try!

An Emelianenktard at it's finest right here. I did nothing in this thread to discredit Fedor. All I did was point out what it would like like if Jones was fighting the same level of competition. I never even said that I think Jones is the Goat. I think he's a more talented fighter than Fedor, but when it comes down to who's the goat it's highly debatable. GSP, Jones, Fedor, and Anderson all have have stakes in that claim.

 

[Beejay Pin]

An Emelianenktard at it's finest right here. I did nothing in this thread to discredit Fedor. All I did was point out incorrectly and incoherently with multiple mistakes that are so common that I even argue with myself half the time, what it would like like if Jones was fighting the same level of competition even though they are all smaller than him and he has not fought a single heavyweight. I lack reasoning skills.

Fixed

 

[scurdhomey]

This is what Jon Jones's record would look like if he fought the same ranked opponents as Fedor did.

Jones beats Shogun to capture the UFC LHW title
Un-ranked fighter (His first fight after winning the belt would be a regional fighter not ranked in the top 250)
D.J. Linderman #35
Rich Franklin #12
CM Punk- Not ranked
Gegard Mousasi #10
Shogun Rua #7
Egidijus Valavicius #65
Daneil Cornier #2
Tito Ortiz #14
Glover Teixeira #4 (would be his next fight)

Jones's actual record and where his opponents were ranked when he fought them after winning the belt.
Rampage Jackson #4
Lyoto Machida #6
Rashad Evens #2
Vitor Belfort Not ranked at LHW but ranked #5 at MW
Chael Sonnen Not ranked at LHW, but ranked #2 at MW
Alexander Gustufson #6
Glover Teixeira #5
Daniel Cormier #2'
OSP # 12

Fedor didn't only fight cans, but more often than not he took easier fights. Below is a list of what his opponents were ranked at before Fedor fought them. This list is comprised of all of Fedor's oponents after he won the Pride HW belt.It goes to show you that he wasn't fighting the competition he should have been while being the HW champ.

Fedor beats Nog and Captures the Pride HW title
Egidijus Valavicius- Not even ranked in the top 250
Kazuyuki Fujita- #35
Gary Goodrich- #12
Yuji Nagata- Not even ranked in the top 250
Mark Coleman- #10
Kevin Randleman - #7
Naoya Ogawa- #65
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira- #2
Tsuyoshi Kohsaka-#14
Cro Cop- #4
Zuluzinho- #115
Mark Coleman - #3
Mark Hunt #7
Matt Lindland Not ranked at HW, but #7 MW.
Hong-Man Choi- Not ranked even in the top 250
Tim Sylvia- #7
Andre Arlovski- #6
Brett Rogers- #7
Fabrico Werdum- #9
Bigfoot Silva- #10
Dan Henderson- Not Ranked at HW, but #7 LHW
Jeff Monson- #31
Satoshi Ishii- Not ranked at HW, but #47 LHW
Pedro Rizzo- Not Ranked due to inactivity but ranked #22 beifore being pulled.
Singh Jaideep- Not even Ranked in the top 250
Fabio Maldanado- Not even Ranked in the top 250 but ranked #37 at HW.

Since winning the belt in Pride He fought...

8 non ranked (@ HW) opponents

6 opponents outside the top 10

8 Top 10 opponents

3 Top 5 opponents.

That's 14 gimmie fights and 10 top ranked fights (11 if you include the Nog NC)

Since winning the Belt in Pride Fedor is 8-2 against opponents inside the top 10 and 14-1 against opponents not ranked or outside the top 10.

Figures from Fightmatrix

http://www.fightmatrix.com/mma-ranks/light-heavyweight-185-205-lbs/

Gymnastics of Hate. Congrats you just won the Gold Medal.

 

[Shaddows]

Yah, that's why the HW division is run by Pride a fighter with multiple old era fighters still in it, yah.

lol@ evolution, biggest bullshit in MMA.

some fighters evolved as well, some were not able to....

But it is undeniable.

During Pride time, most fighters knew one facet of MMA and picked the rest as they went on.

During Pride time, fighters would care less about winning record, and fight for honor, pride, bragging rights.

Nowadays they fight not to lose, they refuse fights against guys whom they can't advance towards more money or a title shot.

If you don't understand the vast difference of the Pride time and now, you are simply too ignorant to understand the meaning of MMA evolution.