This is what Daido juku kudo is all about

Just take mma already, simpler.


Basically, / thread.

1 - Practising MMA you will probably have specialists teaching you all the fundamentals. A BJJ black belt will probably teach the students ground game, whereas a Muay Thai experienced practitioner will be in charge of the striking department, just as a wrestler will most likely be responsible for the takedown area.


2- In MMA you will no longer have to deal with most of the unrealistic features of Kudo or G.K.Y.S, such as : being conditioned to fight with a space helmed (Kudo), not being allowed to hit your opponent in the head while ground and pounding (Kudo), not being able to hit you adversary's face (G.K.Y.S) only fighting with a Gi on (Kudo and G.K.Y.S).

3- In MMA, you no longer have Japanese or Korean culture shoved down your throat . In my honest opinion, considering my experience with Daido Juku (and being a black belt in TKD and Hapkido as well as a brown belt in both Judo and BJJ), these "all-encompassing" styles are designed for TMA people who want to try MMA without leaving their comfort zone (in other words - Asian culture). In Kudo, for instance, most students were people who had previously studied a form of Knock-Down Karate or Asian TMA who were interested in MMA, but did not want to try regular MMA because they felt extremely attached to Asian culture. I remember that during one of the classes, I was appalled because instead of using Western names for the movements whenever a Japanese name was not available, the instructor went as far as saying "Row KickU", with a fake Japanese accent (using "R"s intead of "L"s). Come on, it is completely OK to say Tomoe Nague, Mae Zuki, Kakato Geri, Kesa Gatame.. Ok.. But ... Row KickU ??? And, lastly, the instructor was very disrespectful towards MMA and Muay Thai EVERY SINGLE CLASS because they didn't have the "traditional Japanese spirit". He kept shouting whenever there was a new student "You see, this is not MMA. This is Kudo", as if it actually meant something more than his personal insecurities surfacing.
 
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I remember that during one of the classes, I was appalled because instead of using Western names for the movements whenever a Japanese name was not available, the instructor went as far as saying "Row KickU", with a fake Japanese accent (using "R"s intead of "L"s). Come on, it is completely OK to say Tomoe Nague, Mae Zuki, Kakato Geri, Kesa Gatame.. Ok.. But ... Row KickU ??? And, lastly, the instructor was very disrespectful towards MMA and Muay Thai EVERY SINGLE CLASS because they didn't have the "traditional Japanese spirit". He kept shouting whenever there was a new student "You see, this is not MMA. This is Kudo", as if it actually meant something more than his personal insecurities surfacing.

LOL, never heard of that before. My friend does Kudo and they use Japanese or western names for techniques, no fuck given.
 
the instructor went as far as saying "Row KickU", with a fake Japanese accent (using "R"s intead of "L"s). Come on, it is completely OK to say Tomoe Nague, Mae Zuki, Kakato Geri, Kesa Gatame.. Ok.. But ... Row KickU ??? And, lastly, the instructor was very disrespectful towards MMA and Muay Thai EVERY SINGLE CLASS because they didn't have the "traditional Japanese spirit". He kept shouting whenever there was a new student "You see, this is not MMA. This is Kudo", as if it actually meant something more than his personal insecurities surfacing.

Willing to bet dollars to donuts that the instructor was not even Asian. Nothing worse in my opinion than a non Japanese trying to attain the "Japanese Spirit" :rolleyes:
 
lol....

That's pretty lame if someone is actually doing that. I'd rape kicku him ina de barrsa just to teacha him a ressona.
 
I'm going to make a Martial Art called Muay Kwon-Kan. Its a mix of Muay thai, Taekwondo, and Shotokan. I sware its legitimate.
 
Like to read you speedBR. Are you from Passo Fundo?

Thanks, nice to know that. Just trying to share my experiences.

And, answering your question. No, I', not from Passo Fundo (If I'm not mistaken, you guessed I was from there because of all the Daido Juku videos from Passo Fundo, right?) . I'm from Southeastern Brazil, actually, where a few Kudo schools have been popping up (my dreadful experience with that "style", if we can even call it that way, happened here as well).
 
Willing to bet dollars to donuts that the instructor was not even Asian. Nothing worse in my opinion than a non Japanese trying to attain the "Japanese Spirit" :rolleyes:

And you are right. The instructor himself told me one day his grandfather or grandmother (not quite sure which one) was Japanese. According to one of my friends who attended a couple of classes, however, he looked "Bolivian", as he put it. Maybe he was Native American and said he was Japanese?
Anyway, who cares. People's ethnicity should never matter. What is really important is someone's personality, beliefs and behaviour. And in that department, I can definitely say that the dude was a complete Japanophile who seemed to be brainwashed exalting every fighter and style that came from Japan. The only concession he made was that Russian were also tough (maybe because most Kudo tournaments are totally dominated by the Russians, whereas the Japanese generally lag far behind).

I remember that one day, when he discovered that I had quit Judo to complement my BJJ with Wrestling classes (a decision I never regretted), he came to me and said "Hey, are you crazy? Why do you need BJJ? You practise Judo!" as if that somehow granted me God-like newaza abilities, taught me how to do a double leg properly or allowed me to heelhook the hell out of my opponents. And, remember, he said that when he, himself, attended BJJ seminars to teach his students groundfighting.

The last straw was when he got pissed off that I stood my ground regarding wrestling classes. He came to me and ORDERED ME NOT TO TRAIN WRESTLING, because he didn't like my other instructor (the wrestler whom I mentioned previously that is our 6x national champion). I said I would keep training and he THREATENED TO DEMOTE ME IF I DID SO(yes, he did say that...). Due to the fact that I was already a brown belt in both BJJ and Judo, and had a black belt in TKD and Hapkido, I advanced the ranks fairly quickly and was granted (by himself, which is more ironic) a brown belt in Kudo. I was even preparing for the 1s dan exam when I heard that.

And, well, that was the end of it. I realised the dude had serious problems and that most of his students became just like him (brainwashed and living in a fairy land where Daido Juku is more efficient than MMA and Japan is still a powerhouse regarding martial arts). After that I simply spent the time I would spend with Kudo training regular MMA (BJJ, Wrestling, Muay Thai/Boxing) and promised myself that I would never again join these "Bujinkan-like" cults.

And, in case anyone is wondering, there is even more to that. Such as getting student's money allegedly to buy equipments that never even existed or having 1,85 m and 105 kg students fighting 1,70 m and 70 kg people while RECORDING EVERYTHING TO PROMOTE HIMSELF. The story goes on....
 
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I remember that one day, when he discovered that I had quit Judo to complement my BJJ with Wrestling classes (a decision I never regretted), he came to me and said "Hey, are you crazy? Why do you need BJJ? You do Judo!" as if that somehow granted me God-like newaza abilities, taught me how to do a double leg properly or allowed me to heelhook the hell out of my opponents. And, remember, he said that when he, himself, attended BJJ seminars to teach his students groundfighting.

The last straw was when he got pissed off that I stood my ground regarding wrestling classes. He came to me and ORDERED ME NOT TO TRAIN WRESTLING, because he didn't like my other instructor (the wrestler whom I mentioned previously that is our 6x national champion). I said I would keep training and he THREATENED TO DEMOTE ME IF I DID SO(yes, he did that...). Due to the fact that I was already a brown belt in both BJJ and Judo, and had a black belt in TKD and Hapkido, I advanced the ranks fairly quickly and was granted (by himself, which is more ironic) a brown belt in Kudo. I was even preparing for the 1s dan exam when I heard that.

I also trained under this type of people. I really think karate people in Brasil is 99% like that... Insecure. They fear to lose students if they learn about new people and styles. What a bunch of idiots.
Last week I wrote a rant to my old sensei about the whole situation in his dojo. Some talented guys just lost their will to continue training. They would do great in fighting but there's always an invisible wall in front of them. In the old days we had no real links with karate organizations and were not afraid to lose, so we fought a lot with other schools and open tournaments. It was a really fun bloody nose do your best environment. In this days my sensei is a "respected" sensei and is pure politics and "mental discipline" (haha). It looks like a mcdojo if you ask me.
I think these "kudo" styles get this type of people, who strive to train more realistic styles, instead of training the old martial arts with better instructors. Since the 60's these new styles breed as new answers to old flaws.
Anyway, my Shotokan got far better when I got into a famous MMA gym. And I trained under a lot of top dans in South America and Europe...
The truth is that for like 10 years I trained martial arts with a lot of people and in general, people just don't know SHIT.
 
Basically, / thread.

1 - Practising MMA you will probably have specialists teaching you all the fundamentals. A BJJ black belt will probably teach the students ground game, whereas a Muay Thai experienced practitioner will be in charge of the striking department, just as a wrestler will most likely be responsible for the takedown area.


2- In MMA you will no longer have to deal with most of the unrealistic features of Kudo or G.K.Y.S, such as : being conditioned to fight with a space helmed (Kudo), not being allowed to hit your opponent in the head while ground and pounding (Kudo), not being able to hit you adversary's face (G.K.Y.S) only fighting with a Gi on (Kudo and G.K.Y.S).

3- In MMA, you no longer have Japanese or Korean culture shoved down your throat . In my honest opinion, considering my experience with Daido Juku (and being a black belt in TKD and Hapkido as well as a brown belt in both Judo and BJJ), these "all-encompassing" styles are designed for TMA people who want to try MMA without leaving their comfort zone (in other words - Asian culture). In Kudo, for instance, most students were people who had previously studied a form of Knock-Down Karate or Asian TMA who were interested in MMA, but did not want to try regular MMA because they felt extremely attached to Asian culture. I remember that during one of the classes, I was appalled because instead of using Western names for the movements whenever a Japanese name was not available, the instructor went as far as saying "Row KickU", with a fake Japanese accent (using "R"s intead of "L"s). Come on, it is completely OK to say Tomoe Nague, Mae Zuki, Kakato Geri, Kesa Gatame.. Ok.. But ... Row KickU ??? And, lastly, the instructor was very disrespectful towards MMA and Muay Thai EVERY SINGLE CLASS because they didn't have the "traditional Japanese spirit". He kept shouting whenever there was a new student "You see, this is not MMA. This is Kudo", as if it actually meant something more than his personal insecurities surfacing.

Word, what a bunch of Mcdojo weaboos.
 
I remember that during one of the classes, I was appalled because instead of using Western names for the movements whenever a Japanese name was not available, the instructor went as far as saying "Row KickU", with a fake Japanese accent (using "R"s intead of "L"s).

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You have to be trolling
 
I've seen a lot of people acquire a japanese accent when they step into a dojo.
 
I know a white guy that only eats his food with chopsticks
 
I also trained under this type of people. I really think karate people in Brasil is 99% like that... Insecure. They fear to lose students if they learn about new people and styles. What a bunch of idiots.
Last week I wrote a rant to my old sensei about the whole situation in his dojo. Some talented guys just lost their will to continue training. They would do great in fighting but there's always an invisible wall in front of them. In the old days we had no real links with karate organizations and were not afraid to lose, so we fought a lot with other schools and open tournaments. It was a really fun bloody nose do your best environment. In this days my sensei is a "respected" sensei and is pure politics and "mental discipline" (haha). It looks like a mcdojo if you ask me.
I think these "kudo" styles get this type of people, who strive to train more realistic styles, instead of training the old martial arts with better instructors. Since the 60's these new styles breed as new answers to old flaws.
Anyway, my Shotokan got far better when I got into a famous MMA gym. And I trained under a lot of top dans in South America and Europe...
The truth is that for like 10 years I trained martial arts with a lot of people and in general, people just don't know SHIT.


I agree with you about people who practise TMAs and only TMAs being quite insecure about MMA and leaving their comfort zone (which means, doing something that is not Asian). In fact, what strikes me most is that not only Aikido and Ninjutsu guys, but also high-ranking Judo and Kyokushin (pretty legit martial arts) practitioners tend to buy that "hey, lets'be Asian" mentality. I would say that it probably happens in other countries as well, but is incredible how many Karatekas and Judokas in Brazil tend to adopt that "roleplaying" attitude and take part in every single social event sponsored by the Japanese community.

I even remember that,before the "Row KickU" incident, I had a very unpleasant experience while attending a Judo seminar. In Brazil, there is a HUGE rivalry between BJJ and Judo. Some high-level competitors in both disciplines cross train, but they are not as common as you may think. For instance, I used to practice BJJ and Judo for a very long time and, when I decided to quit Judo to dedicate myself to Wrestling, I faced lots of criticism (I was already a brown belt in Judo by then). In fact, that "Asiaphile" attitude in Judo, as well as Wrestling's efficiency in BJJ matches and its non-reliance on the Gi were two of the main reasons why I fe fell in love with Wrestling (or, as we call it around here, "Luta Ol
 
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You have to be trolling

I wish I were, bro.
You should have seem my face when he said it.

I was REALLY like:

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I always thought of Daido Juku as, like MMA, being more of a competition rule set than an actual martial art. I get that, again just like MMA, it has basically become its own martial art. However, that doesn't mean it still isn't an interesting rule set to compete under.

Also, Speed BR, just because someone doesn't want to do MMA because it doesn't include the gi, and/or they would like to compete in something like MMA but with a gi, doesn't necessarily make that person an insecure Asianophile. Given my background in Judo and ju-jutsu I would much prefer to compete in an MMA competition that required participants to wear a gi, because it suits my skill set. To do normal MMA, I would either have to learn to adapt my existing skills to a no-gi setting or learn a completely new set of skills. Given this, it is only natural that people who have trained extensively in the gi would prefer to compete in competitions that require both participants to wear one. As Daido Juku does this, I can easily see its attraction to practitioners of gi wearing martial arts.
 
I always thought of Daido Juku as, like MMA, being more of a competition rule set than an actual martial art. I get that, again just like MMA, it has basically become its own martial art. However, that doesn't mean it still isn't an interesting rule set to compete under.

Also, Speed BR, just because someone doesn't want to do MMA because it doesn't include the gi, and/or they would like to compete in something like MMA but with a gi, doesn't necessarily make that person an insecure Asianophile. Given my background in Judo and ju-jutsu I would much prefer to compete in an MMA competition that required participants to wear a gi, because it suits my skill set. To do normal MMA, I would either have to learn to adapt my existing skills to a no-gi setting or learn a completely new set of skills. Given this, it is only natural that people who have trained extensively in the gi would prefer to compete in competitions that require both participants to wear one. As Daido Juku does this, I can easily see its attraction to practitioners of gi wearing martial arts.

Well, I completely agree with your statement. In fact, that was the reason I tried it as well. As I said, I also practised Judo and BJJ and when I discovered something that resembled MMA, but with a GI, I also decided to give it a try. Theoretically, the idea[/U] to develop a rule set that involves fighters wearing pants and jackets sounds nice indeed, especially for practitioners of Judo, BJJ and Sambo, allowing for a wide array of strangling and takedown techniques. As I said, THEORETICALLY, it sounds nice.

My reservation with regard to Daido Juku, however, stem from factual experience and not theoretical considerations after watching videos over the internet and can be summarized briefly into brief considerations.

1- Daido Juku classes TEND TO be organised in a very cult-like fashion. I was not the only one to realise that - I took many friend to classes, and chatted with people from other Dojos who had trained Kudo as well; they thought likewise. Besides, MOST students that I have encountered presented the same behavioural pattern : attracted to contact sports and MMA, but reluctant to try anything "not traditional", while clearly attached to traditional Asian mysticism (especially Japanese) . Of course, I am not stating that everyone that trained Daido Juku or G.K.Y.S is or must be a "Bujinkan-like" LARPER. To allege that would be ludicrous and simplistic. However, I do have to point out as well that most students, especially after a few years of training, seemed to be brainwashed into believing that any "non-Asian" form of combat was worthless. All the disciplines most currently taught in "regular" MMA gym was deemed to be ineffective and worthless because of its purported "lack of spirituality " (something I strongly disagree about - rolling in BJJ, just like strenuously training Muay Thai or Boxing can be as spiritual as Kudo or Karate) when Daido Juku itself has more limited rule set than MMA (only 20 seconds of ground grappling, no ground and pound and the use of helmets)


2- Daido Juku, just like G.K.Y.S is marketed as a complete and self-sufficient system, when that in fact is not the case. I came to know that ALL KUDO TEACHERS in my country were compelled to attend BJJ seminars in order to teach groundfighting to students. Likewise, the main instructor at one of the main Kudo gyms in Tokyo is a respected Muay Thai competitor (he is the bald dude who appears on youtube videos demonstrating how to use your knees and elbows qhen fighting); their best competitors came from other striking arts -Adam Khaliev is a TKD blackbelt, Semmy Schilt and Galiev came from knock-down karate and Stepehn Tapilatu is a beast who won countless ITF-TKD championships. Daido Juku is almost thirty years old and we have not seen anyone who started their martial life training Kudo dominate their competitions .

3 - Lastly, the style is marketed as a discipline in which grappling plays a very important role - however, most of their teachers are not skilled enough to teach it properly. Having a Kyokushin or Seiwakai blackbelt or even a Judo blackbelt does not qualify you to teach kneebars or toeholds, which are allowed under their rules. I have SEEN personally students break their ribs during training due poor grappling instruction : both guys were rolling under the "watchful" eye of the instructor, who decided to teach the students some newaza, instead of asking me to take care of that department, as he usually dd- one of them tried an insanely bizarre move and the teacher did not intervene. The other student, who clearly had no idea about what to do (he had only trained Capoeira before...) started to spazz. All of a sudden he screams and says in pain "Dude, stop.. I heard a crack". Bingo... His rib was broken. Hey, grappling is as dangerous as striking ; if you would not trust a BJJ whitebelt to take care of things when people are trying to bend your joints on the opposite direction or vying to strangle you, why would you trust your safety to someone who probably has mediocre skills in that department?
 
I knew a bunch of Bujinkan (ninjutsu orginazition) guys. They really thought they were ninjas. No seriously. They really, really, really thought they were actual ninjas.
 
I knew a bunch of Bujinkan (ninjutsu orginazition) guys. They really thought they were ninjas. No seriously. They really, really, really thought they were actual ninjas.

I also knew a bunch of Bujinkan larpers (in my old gym there was a Ninjutsu class before Judo and BJJ classes) and, boy, they were REALLY, REALLY weird. It never ceases to amaze me how someone who is no longer a kid or a teenager can really dress up like a ninja and pretend to be in Feudal Japan. And the worst thing is how they keep rehearsing bizarre and outrageously ineffective techniques while backing up everything with rhetoric. At the end of every class their teacher sat there and lectured them with a profound voice, as if he knew the mysteries of the universe. As a matter of fact, the atmosphere was quite disturbing, even more when you realised that there were 30 and even 40 year-olds taking all that brainwashing seriously....

How on earth can someone not perceive that people like this are either extremely delusional or, at the very least, infantile? ======>

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^^^

BWAAH HA HA!!! BWUAAAAH HA HA HA!!!

Awe man what a laugh.

Christ..

What is it about these weaboos? I mean dressing up like a friggin ninja or samurai at 40 years old? ROLF! What is it, a self esteem thing?

The old guy with the naginata, thats the founder of the bujinkan Hatsume I think. Man they swear alligence to that guy. He is like a diety. It really is a cult. I read a book on the subject back in the day as there was a teacher in the San Francisco area. Did some research and these guys actually creep around at night like shadows.

For the lulz, here is a video of a bujinkan demonstration:



The "ninja" goes against two Judo guys and wants to prove to the audience that ninja arts are superior to Judo. Needless to say the ninja gets choked out and tries to make excuses as to why. Here is the discription:

This is from a martial arts demonstration on board the USS John C. Stennis in 2002. At the time I had only been studying Judo for about six months the ninja claimed 27 years experience in martial arts. We had not practiced a routine for the demo nor did he give us any instruction as to what techniques were to be performed. After talking about the principles of his style he had me and another person attack him. This is what happened.

I'm the one applying the choke.

For those who have problem with the audio the following is the ninja's statement after getting the choke on him.

"See the bad thing about somebody who does judo...Once they got to the ground they can't do anything. So I just relax. Piece of cake. Okay hold me there all you want. What are going to do?" to which someone in the audience yells out "Choke your ass!!"
 
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