They did Moti Horenstein dirty…

dirty? depends on how you look at it. according to sherdog fight finder he started his pro carreer in 1996 in the UFC. he got opportunities in the UFC to prove himself during a time when the roster was not huge.
he came up short and later lost twice to bob schrijber.....whom i have seen fight live in the beginning of the 2000's. if horenstein couldnt beat Schrijber twice, then he had no business being in there with mark coleman. besides......also according to sherdog it was Colemans first mma fight.

how the hell is that his mma prime and how the hell would the UFC know that at the time.

hoorenstein came up short, then lost more fights against lesser opponents. nobody did him dirty, he wasnt good enough. terrible example you made with this thread
 
DiazSlap said:
First fight: Prime Mark Coleman.

2nd fight: Prime Mark Kerr

3rd fight: Oleg Taktarov


Can’t think of a tougher beginning to MMA than that…

Poor Moti…
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no one cares

slap yourself.
 
Khaosan said:
Nishijima had a pretty rough career and went 0 - 5 (all stoppage losses). Not the worst in MMA history but a tough line up.

His fight with Mark Hunt was fucking awesome.

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Funny you posted this because I just googled Hidehiko Yoshida's record and discovered his first opponents weren't the monsters I remember. For some reason I thought he debuted against Wanderlei and then fought him again shortly after.
 
Moti was a legit tough dude, saw a video of him breaking multiple bats in a row with kicks.but he wasn't a juiced up specimen like Kerr and Coleman. The difference is if you look up Moti today, he still trains and still in fantastic shape for his age. Can't say the same for Coleman or Kerr.
 
don't ask said:
Funny you posted this because I just googled Hidehiko Yoshida's record and discovered his first opponents weren't the monsters I remember. For some reason I thought he debuted against Wanderlei and then fought him again shortly after.
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I was around when Nishijma made his Pride debut against Hunt and was blown away by his toughness. I’ve always remembered him since then and like to bring up his name whenever this thread gets remade.
 
don't ask said:
If I remember right, Hunt outweighed him by 80lbs.
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Ya I don’t remember the actual weight difference but it was absurd. Imagine making your MMA debut against Mark Hunt in 4oz gloves and being outweighed by that much.

Dude has balls of steel.
 
Khaosan said:
Ya I don’t remember the actual weight difference but it was absurd. Imagine making your MMA debut against Mark Hunt in 4oz gloves and being outweighed by that much.

Dude has balls of steel.
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Your enthusiasm made me rewatch the fight just now. There was an 81lbs weight difference! Nishijima outboxed Hunt for much of the fight and the endings of rounds 1 and 2 were crazy. I'm amazed Hunt stayed in the fight, considering how tired he was at the end of round 1, but his power was just two much. Still, I get why you like Nishijima -- he was boxing Hunt up and taking everything Hunt gave, up until the third round.

 
StrikerKing said:
Moti was a legit tough dude, saw a video of him breaking multiple bats in a row with kicks.but he wasn't a juiced up specimen like Kerr and Coleman. The difference is if you look up Moti today, he still trains and still in fantastic shape for his age. Can't say the same for Coleman or Kerr.
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He also beat Pat Smith in some kind of kickboxing or full-contact karate tournament. And Smith was a pretty good striker by 1990s NHB/MMA standards.
 
You're right. They did. Just like Brian Johnston. 'Cept Brian actually won 2 fights. His first fight was a can. Second fight was Don Frye. Third fight was a can. Fourth fight was Mark Coleman. Fifth fight was Ken Shamrock... Then they let him go. Might not have been quite as bad, but it was just as sad 'cause it was a similar situation, just took longer.
 
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Flower2dPeople said:
Pawel Nastula.
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Townsend Saunders is up there. Olympic Silver Medalist whose only 2 fights were against Mikey Burnett and Pat Militech in the late 90s. Those were 2 of the best WWs at the time, certainly the 2 best in the UFC. He went to an SD with Militech then never fought again. From what little I watched, he looked like a more jacked, athletic, better version of Ben Askren.

One thing people don't realize is most fighters didn't get to build their career slowly in the 90s in smaller orgs than on UFC prelims. You go thrown to the wolves in tournaments or against better fighters. Some guys who had losing or average records back then were pretty good fighters for that era.

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UFCFantasyMVP said:
You're right. They did. Just like Brian Johnston. Cept Brian actually won 2 fights. His first fight was a can. Second fight was Don Frye. Third fight was a can. Fourth fight was Mark Coleman. Fifth fight was Ken Shamrock... Then they let him go. Might not have been quite as bad, but it was just as sad 'cause it was a similar situation, just took longer.
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Yeah, Johnston was more fit that most modern HW and had at least some background in both striking and grappling, which was rare back then. He also put up a pretty good fight with Frye.
 
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