there's only one excuse that matters in the UFC

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... the Zuffa-sponsored excuse.

So today I A) rewatched Cain-Werdum and B) saw the thread about Werdum giving Stipe credit for his win. In that thread there was a litany of Sherdog posts about how excuses work between Brazilians, Americans, how excuses are all over the sport, blah blah blah.

No one cares. No one outside of ultra-hardcores care about Rockhold's or Weidman's camps for 194. But the Zuffa-sponsored excuses are WAY more blatant and WAY more impactful on the sport. Go watch Cain-Werdum again. I'm a Cain fan as most of you know, but damn that was revolting. Rogan over and over and over and SO blatant about it.

It happens every single time a clear martketing favorite loses. Hell it happens before they even lose... it starts when they START to lose. Watch Cain-Werdum and hear Rogan conjecture BS about altititude as soon as Cain starts to get tagged in the 2nd. After Cain loses he asks in English about altititude and then orders Cain to translate the excuse in Spanish in front of the Mexican audience, since they needed to still be indoctrinated to know the BS excuse since they weren't listening to his commentary.

The same thing happened in Jones-Gus. Rogan going on and on about a fucking imaginary recurring toe injury and that that was the reason Gus was punching him in the face. The same thing happened when Brock lost to Overeem. "A kick to the body... a body... that has been SURGICALLY REPAIRED." The excuses are so bad (and so obvious in favor of the marketing favorite) that they'd be considered jokes if it came from us ("altitude" is like a self-parody haha).

The Brock excuse died quickly because he retired so it served no purpose. The Jones one died the moment the fight ended because Jon won the decision. The Anderson "he wasn't serious" excuse started the second he was KOd by Chris.

Hands wrap didn't impact anything. Aldo saying being KOd didn't count doesn't change anything. Fan base internet flame wars change nothing. If you want to see how the excuses that matter (Zuffa excuses) impact the sport look at how the excuses fly when the marketing fave is losing. Look how they marketed Anderson-Weidman 2 and strung all of Vegas into putting Weidman a 2:1 dog again, or how it warranted a Cain insta-rematch after he was decisively finished by Werdum, or how they would have rationalized a Jones loss in his marketing prime before the driving shit ever happened.

TL;DR = There is one kind of excuse that matters, and it is a very blatant form of excuse, and ironically, the one type of excuse LEAST criticized by forum posters. It is pushed mostly by the UFC (not Brazilians, not fighters) to serve a simple marketing job.
 
TL;DR = There is one kind of excuse that matters, and it is a very blatant form of excuse, and ironically, the one type of excuse LEAST criticized by forum posters.

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I don't see how this is "way more impactful on the sport"

You guys like to act like these little nuggets you formulate in your fwagile wittle minds have such a monumental impact on anything. Hey, good for you, you noticed something!

No one cares about this nuanced crap from a hardcore MMA fan ... Not even other hardcores.
 
Good post. But the only one really screwed of that affair is Gustaffson. That controversial loss triggered a series of robberies. The pinnacle of it being TJ's loss to the crowd favorite Cruz. You forgot to write about Cruz's hiatus happening after TJ kicking him repeatedly to the legs.

Some things in the UFC never change.
 
I don't see how this is "way more impactful on the sport"

You guys like to act like these little nuggets you formulate in your fwagile wittle minds have such a monumental impact on anything. Hey, good for you, you noticed something!

No one cares about this nuanced crap from a hardcore MMA fan ... Not even other hardcores.
Someone's fwagile wittle mind didn't read the paragraph I wrote explicitly saying how it is more impactful.

Those excuses have instantly pushed insta-rematches, pushed fan narratives, reshaped divisions, pump up a PPV, etc. I said this in the OP already. Those excuses actually make a difference, unlike what you or I say on here. That was my point.
 
Someone's fwagile wittle mind didn't read the paragraph I wrote explicitly saying how it is more impactful.

Those excuses have instantly pushed insta-rematches, pushed fan narratives, reshaped divisions, pump up a PPV, etc. I said this in the OP already. Those excuses actually make a difference, unlike what you or I say on here. That was my point.

How do you know these "excuses" are the things that make all of those things happen?
 
The problem is Frogan, he is a vile little man. A known Luciferian who practices Crowleyism and is evident with his constant hate towards Christians and their belief in Jesus.



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Aleistar Crowley
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I've never heard of Crowleyism. You mean Thelema?
 
I don't see how this is "way more impactful on the sport"

You guys like to act like these little nuggets you formulate in your fwagile wittle minds have such a monumental impact on anything. Hey, good for you, you noticed something!

No one cares about this nuanced crap from a hardcore MMA fan ... Not even other hardcores.

I read it and I thought it was interesting. Sheesh!
 
Ur tldr didnt even say what the excuse was, thx a lot for wasting my time after i took the trouble to scroll doen through thst whole fucking post
 
Two notes:
1. You're right about Zuffa making excuses for fighters. Props for the observation.
(they did the same thing with Sage Northcutt and many others)

2. You say these excuses are the least criticized, but Sherdog makes fun of Zuffa's and Joe Rogan's excuses all the time. Sea Level Cain has become the byword of excuse mockery, so I can't agree on that point at all.

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Ur tldr didnt even say what the excuse was, thx a lot for wasting my time after i took the trouble to scroll doen through thst whole fucking post
The excuses doled out by Zuffa whenever a big marketing favorite is losing/loses

I cited many examples in the OP of when it has happened
 
What's the difference between an excuse and an explanation?

If Brock takes a testosterone fueled knee to the diverticulitis, that's what the announcers should explain.

If Brock said "I lost because of my surgery", he'd be making excuses - which as far as I know, he didn't.
 
What are they supposed to do?

They have to salvage any hype they can, so it only makes sense that they blame an external factor in order to keep things interesting
 
How do you know these "excuses" are the things that make all of those things happen?
Because it is safe to assume that Zuffa does it for a logical reason rather than shits and giggles. And that those reasons might be guessed to include making money off PPV sales, driving fan opinion, etc

Then again you're putting the word excuses in quotes so what's the point in arguing things that should be easy, you're just being a contrarian/defending the corporate line as usual.

2. You say these excuses are the least criticized, but Sherdog makes fun of Zuffa's and Joe Rogan's excuses all the time. Sea Level Cain has become the byword of excuse mockery, so I can't agree on that point at all.
True but there is a big difference. Sherdog makes fun of excuses and points the finger at fighters first and maybe fanbases second, ignoring the primary reason excuses gain traction. It shows a simplistic understanding of "excuses" to merely be a symptom of "butthurt" (on the part of fighters) rather than a concerted/financially-motivated mentality. Sealevel Cain gets rightfully mocked yes, but Cain never said that dumb shit (to my knowledge). Can't speak for his entire fanbase but I know it always made ME cringe personally.

Never heard anyone bring up the Jones one for obvious reasons (he won the fight and the great fight/contentious result overshadowed Rogan's multiple excuses of something that is verifiably not true) and the Brock one gained a little traction despite it being muted by the fact he retired right after the fight and had no fanbase to back it up since they largely left with Brock.
What's the difference between an excuse and an explanation?

If Brock takes a testosterone fueled knee to the diverticulitis, that's what the announcers should explain.

If Brock said "I lost because of my surgery", he'd be making excuses - which as far as I know, he didn't.
My personal answer to excuse vs reason? Reality. If it doesn't confirm to any to reality other than a desire to sell a rematch or hype something out of proportion = excuse.

Jones didn't reinjure his toe. Rogan said he did to rationalize him losing rounds when he wasn't supposed to. Cain was touted as having cardio as his strength. Rogan then inverted it to say the only reason he dropped rounds was his cardio sucked, but even that was literally the fault of the air. Then after saying it 100 times in the broadcast told Cain to translate the question/excuse into Spanish.

I never said Brock said that. That was one of my points... it is pushed by Zuffa rather than fighters but fighters take all the blame for making excuses. Some can co-opt it (Anderson) after the fact but in all the examples I cited the fighter doesn't plant it.
 
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