There is no such things as bad match ups

[Panmisiek]

It makes my blood boil when I am hearing this especially when fighters are close to each other in rankings.

Bad match ups is ranked 2 or 3 at the time Cormier vs Pat Cummings or Jones vs OSP, a huge skill gap between those guys who just dominate their opponents without a questions asked.

Not freaking Maia vs Brown or Miocic against Werdum.

Maia one dimensional? Let me remind you all well educated MMA experts that every single fighter out there have some background either striking (Belfort, Jedrzejczyk), BJJ (Maia, Diaz, Werdum), Wrestling (Velasquez,Cormier), Kboxing (Thompson, Rockhold) and for most of them there always will be prefered fighting style no matter how well or not developed are other skills.

And you cant bash them, just because they using it as advantage. I enjoyed Maia fighting, I could watch him manhandling Lawler for whole 5 rounds. Is it his fault for being good at BJJ or Brown sucking at taking different approach to the fight? No one told Brown to jump onto Maia as soon as he saw he was hurt in 3rd. He probably bait Brown to jump to the ground.

Champion material fighter should be prepared for anything.

 

[brickhands]

lawler flatlines maia like nate the great did

 

[Hazuki Ryo]

I don't understand you're talking about match ups and then you're talking about skill set.

A BJJ guy against a striker is not a good or a bad match up. What do you mean ?

 

[CTYankee]

TL;dr
Leave it to a guy with a Pride AV to say there is no such thing as a bad match up.

 

[Panmisiek]

I don't understand you're talking about match ups and then you're talking about skill set.

A BJJ guy against a striker is not a good or a bad match up. What do you mean ?

I was referring to few threads which I read earlier. Something about bad match ups of BJJ vs striker and the other was about one dimensional Maia.

 

[MMAProfessional]

Styles makes fights. Sure Maia is one dimensional but not many can stop him but for some reason people hate on one dimensional grapplers but love one dimensional strikers.

 

[bjdiaz]

There's a reason they say styles make fights. Werdum was a bad match up for Cain if you can't see that I can't help you man. There's many examples of guys who are Taylor made to beat other fighters that's just the way it is.

 

[Panmisiek]

There's a reason they say styles make match ups. Werdum was a bad match up for Cain if you can't see that I can't help you man. There's many examples of guys who are Taylor made to beat other fighters that's just the way it is.

No, I cant see that. If you compare Cain fights in the past you could see he was in wars with JDS. Going 5 rounds with full gas tank. And Werdum fight looked like it wasn't even Cain fighting but absolutely different guy. Gassing heavily after 1st round. Its not bad match up, its errors in preparation or approach or both.

 

[Hazuki Ryo]

I was referring to few threads which I read earlier. Something about bad match ups of BJJ vs striker and the other was about one dimensional Maia.

Oh i get it. Indeed you can't say it's a bad match up if the BJJ guy uses his weapons in his favor. A bad match up is a low ranked fighter against a top 3 guy.

Some people don't like seeing fighters doing well with their specialty, especially if this specialty is not striking.

 

[ScarletnGray 33]

Champion material fighter should be prepared for anything.

1. Not everyone is a championship level fighter.

2. If you are not a perfect fighter, you have weaknesses and guys who have strengths in those areas can be considered a bad matchup for you, so yes they exist.

 

[Hazuki Ryo]

There's a reason they say styles make fights. Werdum was a bad match up for Cain if you can't see that I can't help you man. There's many examples of guys who are Taylor made to beat other fighters that's just the way it is.

Well i don't agree, i think they're great matchups. Werdum has the ground advantage, Cain has the cardio and the boxing. The man that can use his weapons to his advantage wins

 

[Panmisiek]

Oh i get it. Indeed you can't say it's a bad match up if the BJJ guy uses his weapons in his favor. A bad match up is a low ranked fighter against a top 3 guy.

Some people don't like seeing fighters doing well with their specialty, especially if this specialty is not striking.

Dont get me wrong. Its more entertaining to eye when you see guy punching living shit our of another one, even if it is 9 or 10 fight in a row like that. But skill especially in MMA have to be recognized. If you like striking go watch boxing, if u like kickboxing go watch Glory or K1

 

[Panmisiek]

1. Not everyone is a championship level fighter.

2. If you are not a perfect fighter, you have weaknesses and guys who have strengths in those areas can be considered a bad matchup for you, so yes they exist.

But dont forget that strengths and weaknesses applied to both guys. So what is considered as a weakness of the first guy is a strength for the second guy, and what is considered a weakness of 2nd guy could be a strength of the first guy. Why you guys only looking at one fighter? Maia striking is shit compared to Brown. He could get caught by accident and dropped.

 

[shococham]

It makes my blood boil when I am hearing this especially when fighters are close to each other in rankings.

Bad match ups is ranked 2 or 3 at the time Cormier vs Pat Cummings or Jones vs OSP, a huge skill gap between those guys who just dominate their opponents without a questions asked.

Not freaking Maia vs Brown or Miocic against Werdum.

Maia one dimensional? Let me remind you all well educated MMA experts that every single fighter out there have some background either striking (Belfort, Jedrzejczyk), BJJ (Maia, Diaz, Werdum), Wrestling (Velasquez,Cormier), Kboxing (Thompson, Rockhold) and for most of them there always will be prefered fighting style no matter how well or not developed are other skills.

And you cant bash them, just because they using it as advantage. I enjoyed Maia fighting, I could watch him manhandling Lawler for whole 5 rounds. Is it his fault for being good at BJJ or Brown sucking at taking different approach to the fight? No one told Brown to jump onto Maia as soon as he saw he was hurt in 3rd. He probably bait Brown to jump to the ground.

Champion material fighter should be prepared for anything.

Sorry but strongly disagree as their are great matchups, bad matchups, etc, it is just the nature of the beast. I.E. Miesha against Ronda yet she somehow beats the woman who just KTFO Ronda. I don't think Miesha could beat Ronda if they fought ten more times yet she is the one wearing the belt right now.

 

[Siesta]

Yes there is.

 

[bjdiaz]

No, I cant see that. If you compare Cain fights in the past you could see he was in wars with JDS. Going 5 rounds with full gas tank. And Werdum fight looked like it wasn't even Cain fighting but absolutely different guy. Gassing heavily after 1st round. Its not bad match up, its errors in preparation or approach or both.

Cain gassed because Werdum beat the fuck out of him. He panicked when he threw everything he had into his shots and Werdum just ate them. And the reason Werdum is a bad match up for Cain is because he is a more versatile striker than Cain which means he could keep Cain off balance by mixing up his striking. And not to mention the fact that the moment Cain took him down Werdum tapped him because his ground game is superior to cains.
So to summarize:
1. Werdum more versatile striker
2. Cain didn't have the power to hurt werdum.
3. Werdum can submit anyone at heavyweight so he isn't scared of the takedown, which nullifies cains bread and butter which is clinch work and gnp

Can Cain beat werdum in a rematch? Sure he can and I hope he does as he's my favorite fighter but werdum is still a bad match up for him.

 

[MaulingMyClown]

There's a reason they say styles make fights. Werdum was a bad match up for Cain if you can't see that I can't help you man. There's many examples of guys who are Taylor made to beat other fighters that's just the way it is.

Agree completely...I think Werdum beats Cain 4 out of 5 times, just as I think Cain beats JDS 4 out of 5 times. All three of those guys are in the top 5 HWs. Some style fighters are just bad match ups for some guys. What's not to understand TS?

 

[Panmisiek]

Sorry but strongly disagree as their are great matchups, bad matchups, etc, it is just the nature of the beast. I.E. Miesha against Ronda yet she somehow beats the woman who just KTFO Ronda. I don't think Miesha could beat Ronda if they fought ten more times yet she is the one wearing the belt right now.

Once again, MMA math does not work, if you haven't find out yet. There are more factors that decide whether someone wins or lose a fight. Preparation, game plan, state of mind, crucial decisions to be taken during MMA fight.

Weidman suposed to walk trough Rockhold. Everyone had it. Bookies had it, most of the MMA websites had it too. What cost him a lose? Preparation? Game plan? No, stupid decision of kicking Rockhold.

 

[bjdiaz]

Well i don't agree, i think they're great matchups. Werdum has the ground advantage, Cain has the cardio and the boxing. The man that can use his weapons to his advantage wins

Well Cain has the boxing advantage but werdum has the striking advantage. I'm not saying Cain is a lesser fighter than werdum I'm saying that werdum used his strengths to beat Velasquez because he has the perfect style to do so. Cain proved without a shadow of a doubt that the first JDS fight was a fluke but you can't say that about the werdum fight, werdum just beat the fuck out of him because he had nothing to worry about standing or in the ground because of his style.

 

[Panmisiek]

Cain gassed because Werdum beat the fuck out of him. He panicked when he threw everything he had into his shots and Werdum just ate them. And the reason Werdum is a bad match up for Cain is because he is a more versatile striker than Cain which means he could keep Cain off balance by mixing up his striking. And not to mention the fact that the moment Cain took him down Werdum tapped him because his ground game is superior to cains.
So to summarize:
1. Werdum more versatile striker
2. Cain didn't have the power to hurt werdum.
3. Werdum can submit anyone at heavyweight so he isn't scared of the takedown, which nullifies cains bread and butter which is clinch work and gnp

Can Cain beat werdum in a rematch? Sure he can and I hope he does as he's my favorite fighter but werdum is still a bad match up for him.

So going with that way of thinking if there were only 2 fighters left on the planet earth, Werdum and Velasquez you wouldnt match them up because they are bad match ups. Are you serious?

All guys out there worked their way up. Werdum used his skills to his advantage and won where Cain was unable. It still doesn't make the fight a bad match up. Both guys had right to fight each other because they were on the top. Werdum was better, period. Werdum could get caught with Cain like he was yesterday.