Theory why UFC and Izzy "pushing" Alex to LHW

Its probably because they need some contenders at LHW. Also, I dont think there is a lot of heat behind a trilogy match at this moment. They would rather move forward with Izzy as champion and put on some different match ups.

Alex got fast tracked to a title shot anyway based on his kickboxing wins over Izzy. I don't think he really deserves an immediate rematch and it will just slow down the division.

If Alex can manage to win the belt at LHW, which is unlikely, now you have a superfight on your hands.
 
OneOfOne said:
Its probably because they need some contenders at LHW. Also, I dont think there is a lot of heat behind a trilogy match at this moment. They would rather move forward with Izzy as champion and put on some different match ups.

Alex got fast tracked to a title shot anyway based on his kickboxing wins over Izzy. I don't think he really deserves an immediate rematch and it will just slow down the division.

If Alex can manage to win the belt at LHW, which is unlikely, now you have a superfight on your hands.
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thank you for your reasonable post
 
Marko Polo said:
Gastelum gave him a fight. What else was there? I mean sure you can say that that’s down to Izzy’s skill that he was that far ahead. But now he’s not that far ahead so why doesn’t he want to fight?
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Because he and the UFC gifted Alex a red carpet to the title fight. Alex worked that and got a championship out of it - great for him!

That was a gift. If he had to work his way through the division he would not be a champion today. Now he got his gift, got the rematch that Izzy earned with a long track record, and lost.

Izzy is finished giving gifts. Now Alex is free to earn it a second time, but standing there with his hand out isn't going to do it. I don't see Alex protesting that he's earned the right to an immediate rematch (because he hasn't). So neither am I. Because he hasn't.

EDIT: and anytime your argument hinges on the most active champion who gifted his arch nemesis a title shot being a coward, you should just stop and check your emotions, brother. Because sense of logic has fled your argument once you start calling dominant champs cowards.
 
moreorless87 said:
I don't think it was a fluke given that he hurt Alex in the two previous matches as well BUT I think a trilogy fight between then is clearly what should happen for the sports legitimacy, the only reason why it might not is because Izzy and the UFC are afraid he might loose and want to run with this result IMHO, its needed to show who is better and its also clearly the biggest PPV draw.

It does again show you the power of having the promoter on your side, get rematches when you want, avoid them when you want, look at Jon Jones.

I would say as well really if you have confidence in Izzy as a fan you should want a 3rd fight, winning a third fight shows superiority in MMA and I think would build a legit case as the MW GOAT. Claiming you want it at LHW years latter is bullshit IMHO, a way of avoiding it.
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Alex is only 7-2. He didn't really deserve the title shot to begin with. Izzy got the immediate rematch on the strength of him being a longtime champion. He "earned" that rematch so to speak. Alex really hasn't earned that immediate rematch.

Plus there are other contenders that deserve a title shot and we don't want to bog down the division with unnecessary rematches.
 
moreorless87 said:
I don't think it was a fluke given that he hurt Alex in the two previous matches as well BUT I think a trilogy fight between then is clearly what should happen for the sports legitimacy, the only reason why it might not is because Izzy and the UFC are afraid he might loose and want to run with this result IMHO, its needed to show who is better and its also clearly the biggest PPV draw.

It does again show you the power of having the promoter on your side, get rematches when you want, avoid them when you want, look at Jon Jones.

I would say as well really if you have confidence in Izzy as a fan you should want a 3rd fight, winning a third fight shows superiority in MMA and I think would build a legit case as the MW GOAT. Claiming you want it at LHW years latter is bullshit IMHO, a way of avoiding it.
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I don't think thr trilogy is 100% out of the question. But assuming Pereira wants it, how long do you think he'll need after a KO like that?

More than likely Adesanya would have a fight before then. I think it'll come down to how a 36 year old Pereira wants to end his career.
 
LouisBolanos said:
Yeah, I know. You're just bitter Ah Lex got KTFO and is being strongarmed to move to LHW where he'll get double legged and pounded out by some journeyman while making a tiny fraction of Izzy's championship purse.



UFC champions and their current top 15 divisional wins:
  1. Adesanya - 9
  2. Volkanovski - 5 (3 of which are Max)
  3. Moreno - 5
  4. Aljo - 4
  5. Islam - 4
  6. Nunes - 4
  7. Leon - 3
  8. Weili - 3
  9. Grasso - 3
  10. Jamahal - 2
  11. Jones - 1
Now please cry more about my hairline posts.
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How can you have 9 next to Adesanya when he lost the belt but you put a 1 in front of Jones.

Adesanya is new champion it starts fresh now.
 
mudrubble said:
Because he and the UFC gifted Alex a red carpet to the title fight. Alex worked that and got a championship out of it - great for him!

That was a gift. If he had to work his way through the division he would not be a champion today. Now he got his gift, got the rematch that Izzy earned with a long track record, and lost.

Izzy is finished giving gifts. Now Alex is free to earn it a second time, but standing there with his hand out isn't going to do it. I don't see Alex protesting that he's earned the right to an immediate rematch (because he hasn't). So neither am I. Because he hasn't.
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Just say you know Izzy got lucky… would save yourself a lot of time<45>
 
clackers said:
How can you have 9 next to Adesanya when he lost the belt but you put a 1 in front of Jones.

Adesanya is new champion it starts fresh now.
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Because Jones is now a HW fighter while Izzy is still at MW. In what universe does regaining the belt of a division erase your previous wins in said division?
Didn't know Izzy KO'd Ah Lex so hard even Ah Lex's fans got secondary CTE and can no longer reason as a result.
 
LouisBolanos said:
Because Jones is now a HW fighter while Izzy is still at MW. In what universe does regaining the belt of a division erase your previous wins in said division?
Didn't know Izzy KO'd Ah Lex so hard even Ah Lex's fans got secondary CTE and can no longer reason as a result.
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This ain’t it chief…
 
LouisBolanos said:
Because Jones is now a HW fighter while Izzy is still at MW.
Didn't know Izzy KO'd Ah Lex so hard even Ah Lex's fans got secondary CTE and can no longer reason as a result.
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Are you suffering from dementia.

There not straight title defenses when he lost to Alex and lost the belt.

Now all of a sudden beating Alex was a
Title defence.

Adesanya goes to the bottom of the list because he hasn’t defended the belt he just won.

Alex ended his reign now he starts from
scratch.

Yes he previously defended the belt but you can’t pretend he didn’t lose the belt.
 
None of them are fighting Jones. Jones is over 250 lbs now and will probably retire after 1-2 more fights. LHW is a log jam but Hill is a good matchup for Pereira, and a dude who walks around at a not fat 220 lbs is probably not going to want to keep cutting to 185.
 
mangokush said:
Izzy was able to get 1 win out 4 attempts vs Alex, Izzy will beg for the UFC to force Alex to move to 205 ensuring that he will never face again just in case Alex beats him again

Izzy knows he got very lucky with that fluke win and will duck the rematch
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Why is it a fluke win if Israel knocks Alex out, but not a fluke win if Alex beats Israel in the last round after being down on scorecards? Israel is believed to have been robbed in their first kickboxing fight and was winning their second until Alex landed a punch. He was winning the first MMA fight until Alex caught him. I don't think either of their victories were flukes. I personally think anyone can get caught in MMA if you're not careful and anyone can get knocked out, except for maybe Jon Jones and Khabib. Alex won when he landed a perfectly place punch that didn't have a lot of power behind it. Israel won when he landed a perfectly placed punch that didn't have any real power behind it. Nothing fluky about either victory in my opinion.
 
In reality everybody knows Alex cuts a lot of weight. Dana and other fighters know the chin is more fragile when cutting so much weight. With a KO loss like that and knowing how much weight he cuts the smartest and healthiest thing to do would be move up but the question is will Alex actually do it. Dana knows at 36 he can’t be getting KOd like that at this point in his career.
 
GoshiShun17 said:
I don't think thr trilogy is 100% out of the question. But assuming Pereira wants it, how long do you think he'll need after a KO like that?

More than likely Adesanya would have a fight before then. I think it'll come down to how a 36 year old Pereira wants to end his career.
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Izzy was coming out with fighting someone else right at the match, I don't think it had anything to do with Alex.

I did cheer for Alex in these fights as a fan of his kickboxing career but I have to say as someone who respects Izzy a lot(and there are definately a load of incel shitbag haters) I'm really disappointed that he looks to be trying to avoid a 3rd fight, this is his chance to really stake his claim as the MW GOAT above Anderson and he looks like he's trying to run with a win when he's 1-3 with a guy, thats not a good look if you have confidence in yourself.
 
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Marko Polo said:
You’ve seemed unhinged since your return man.
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You have twice as many posts in this thread as me, unhinged indeed. Looks like Izzy really hurt your feelings by KTFOing Ah Lex and mocking on his crying son.

I can’t imagine anyone “argues” with you much with how you speak to people.
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You can't imagine something you're literally doing right now? Man the pampered anime cringelord really made you go off the deep end.
 
clackers said:
Are you suffering from dementia.

There not straight title defenses when he lost to Alex and lost the belt.

Now all of a sudden beating Alex was a
Title defence.

Adesanya goes to the bottom of the list because he hasn’t defended the belt he just won.

Alex ended his reign now he starts from
scratch.

Yes he previously defended the belt but you can’t pretend he didn’t lose the belt.

And when we talk about title defenses and
People talk about Anderson Silva we talk about consecutive title defenses not lose the belt and then just add those back on to your record when you get to the belt back.

We his is why now can’t compare Adesanya to Anderson because no way know he can have as many consecutive title defenses to Anderson now. Not that there was a debate to it now.
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sph1nx said:
so we dont have brain but you call coward a guy who defend his title 3 times per year against everyone
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Yes.

There are a lot of compelling reasons for Alex to go up to 205.

None of those reasons include Israel being afraid. He is a lot of weird things, coward is not among them.

I would really like to see Alex eat and go up to 205. A lot of fun matchups there for him and if he continues to fight a lot that would be really compelling to watch.
 
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