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The War Room Bet Thread

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Well, it was worth trying.

There is still time. I like to believe @Rex Kwon Do is a go big or go home kinda guy. I am suprised however that the least likely thing he sees in the election is the thing he is hesitant to bet on. Why would he be more sure about Trump .1-2 not happening? The man has shook things up in this thread
 
There is still time. I like to believe @Rex Kwon Do is a go big or go home kinda guy. I am suprised however that the least likely thing he sees in the election is the thing he is hesitant to bet on. Why would he be more sure about Trump .1-2 not happening? The man has shook things up in this thread

Rex doesn't really think Trump will win. I think that's clear.

I want to know who he's picking in Alvarez/McGregor, though. @Rex Kwon Do
 
Hello all, feeling quite confident after that debate performance last night. Tough Ken Bone (I) appears to be a legitimate challenger.

Give me a summary, who wants a piece and what are the terms? Also @Jack V Savage, I'm still ruminating on that one. It's either McGregor finally cracking Eddie's wonky chin (great recovery, not a great chin; pretty much latter day Hendo, whose chin usually got him rocked/dropped at least once or twice per fight, but his recovery and heart was so extraordinary he managed to get up and keep fighting), or Eddie dominates him to a finish or dominant decision. Not sure which seems more likely. Probably an Eddie dominant victory, but it's too close to call.
 
Hello all, feeling quite confident after that debate performance last night. Tough Ken Bone (I) appears to be a legitimate challenger.

This is unfathomable to me. I give you credit for not being a cretin like TCK, DS, Hans, Second Sight, etc. You see the polls and the news (that polling hasn't reflected). You saw his performance last night. There's no way you think that his odds are anywhere near even.

Give me a summary, who wants a piece and what are the terms? Also @Jack V Savage, I'm still ruminating on that one. It's either McGregor finally cracking Eddie's wonky chin (great recovery, not a great chin; pretty much latter day Hendo, whose chin usually got him rocked/dropped at least once or twice per fight, but his recovery and heart was so extraordinary he managed to get up and keep fighting), or Eddie dominates him to a finish or dominant decision. Not sure which seems more likely. Probably an Eddie dominant victory, but it's too close to call.

My estimation of McGregor took a big step forward in his last fight. I was talking to a friend of mine who is a trainer and had Diaz (we'd both picked Diaz in the first fight). I said, "You'd easily be able to craft a strategy for him to win that fight--more low kicks, wait back and counter rather than lunge." He said, sure, but in his experience, even when you see an obvious change that someone can make, it's very difficult to actually get someone to make the change, especially when the guy has already had some success in his career. And he pointed out that McGregor even dissed the MT style. But he did, in fact, make great adjustments coming out. And then when he struggled anyway, he made further adjustments (slowing his pace without ceding advantage). I'd regarded him as a guy with one great weapon and a basic, effective style built around maximizing it (that is, corralling people into range for the straight left), but a pretty limited fighter. He stepped up there.

That's not getting into the specific matchup, of course. I will need to think about it more. But I'm McGregor right now. My (very crude) system has Alvarez as a very slight favorite, though. So it's unlikely that I'll bet on it unless watching more tape with the specific matchup in mind brings me over to agreeing with the system.
 
Hello all, feeling quite confident after that debate performance last night. Tough Ken Bone (I) appears to be a legitimate challenger.

Give me a summary, who wants a piece and what are the terms? Also @Jack V Savage, I'm still ruminating on that one. It's either McGregor finally cracking Eddie's wonky chin (great recovery, not a great chin; pretty much latter day Hendo, whose chin usually got him rocked/dropped at least once or twice per fight, but his recovery and heart was so extraordinary he managed to get up and keep fighting), or Eddie dominates him to a finish or dominant decision. Not sure which seems more likely. Probably an Eddie dominant victory, but it's too close to call.


1. Winner of the Election
2. Quipling : Hillary - Rex :Trump
3. 11/08/16
4. Loser of the bet changes his av to a suitably presidential picture of the winning candidate (Or just a standard sig/av bet, whichever you prefer).
5. 11/09/16-Inauguration day

Suitably presidential picture to be submitted by winner of the bet, subject to challenge by loser and arbtrated by the mod. An unsuccessful challenge extends the length the portrait/av/sig must be up by however long the challenge delayed the payout +1 day.
 
This is unfathomable to me. I give you credit for not being a cretin like TCK, DS, Hans, Second Sight, etc. You see the polls and the news (that polling hasn't reflected). You saw his performance last night. There's no way you think that his odds are anywhere near even.



My estimation of McGregor took a big step forward in his last fight. I was talking to a friend of mine who is a trainer and had Diaz (we'd both picked Diaz in the first fight). I said, "You'd easily be able to craft a strategy for him to win that fight--more low kicks, wait back and counter rather than lunge." He said, sure, but in his experience, even when you see an obvious change that someone can make, it's very difficult to actually get someone to make the change, especially when the guy has already had some success in his career. And he pointed out that McGregor even dissed the MT style. But he did, in fact, make great adjustments coming out. And then when he struggled anyway, he made further adjustments (slowing his pace without ceding advantage). I'd regarded him as a guy with one great weapon and a basic, effective style built around maximizing it (that is, corralling people into range for the straight left), but a pretty limited fighter. He stepped up there.

That's not getting into the specific matchup, of course. I will need to think about it more. But I'm McGregor right now. My (very crude) system has Alvarez as a very slight favorite, though. So it's unlikely that I'll bet on it unless watching more tape with the specific matchup in mind brings me over to agreeing with the system.

I think Eddie showing a willingness to win at any cost, even if it means in an ugly manner (a la the Pettis win), was indicative of a big improvement in his fight IQ. If he has to get McGregor on the ground and kill his cardio for a round or two, Eddie can do that. However, then in the Dos Anjos fight he admitted he let the excitement get to him and was throwing more recklessly than he would have liked to. Which Eddie will show up: the one who does whatever it takes, fans be damned, to win, or the old Eddie that has no problem standing in the pocket and letting it all loose? I've got to think since the stakes are so high, and since he has an intelligent trainer in Mark Henry, that Strategic Eddie will be showing up. I doubt the trainer of Frankie Edgar is going to let Eddie go out there and fight stupidly. Plus, there's the added incentive that if you beat McGregor, you have a good chance of getting a rematch. That's another multi-million dollar payday. If you lose to McGregor, you're never getting a rematch, so I hope you enjoyed the one truly big payday of your career.
 
1. Winner of the Election
2. Quipling : Hillary - Rex :Trump
3. 11/08/16
4. Loser of the bet changes his av to a suitably presidential picture of the winning candidate (Or just a standard sig/av bet, whichever you prefer).
5. 11/09/16-Inauguration day

Suitably presidential picture to be submitted by winner of the bet, subject to challenge by loser and arbtrated by the mod. An unsuccessful challenge extends the length the portrait/av/sig must be up by however long the challenge delayed the payout +1 day.

I'll offer the same terms as (I think) I offered to the others, which was 1 month. More specifically, a 1 month av bet, same terms regarding selection of said av as you explained above. I'd like to do bets with people for MMA fights not too long after election, so make it 11/09/16 until 12/09/16 and I'll agree.
 
I think Eddie showing a willingness to win at any cost, even if it means in an ugly manner (a la the Pettis win), was indicative of a big improvement in his fight IQ. If he has to get McGregor on the ground and kill his cardio for a round or two, Eddie can do that. However, then in the Dos Anjos fight he admitted he let the excitement get to him and was throwing more recklessly than he would have liked to. Which Eddie will show up: the one who does whatever it takes, fans be damned, to win, or the old Eddie that has no problem standing in the pocket and letting it all loose? I've got to think since the stakes are so high, and since he has an intelligent trainer in Mark Henry, that Strategic Eddie will be showing up. I doubt the trainer of Frankie Edgar is going to let Eddie go out there and fight stupidly. Plus, there's the added incentive that if you beat McGregor, you have a good chance of getting a rematch. That's another multi-million dollar payday. If you lose to McGregor, you're never getting a rematch, so I hope you enjoyed the one truly big payday of your career.

It's interesting that you approach it that way--not as a puzzle to solve or an athletic contest but primarily as a battle of will. Probably figures into our differing political views. I expect 100% motivation from Eddie in any fight (no "bonus" for fighting McGregor), and I think he got lucky against RDA (in that he was getting lit up in the short time before the beginning of the end and I'd pick RDA to win the majority of the time they fought). I definitely think he'd LNP or cagefuck if he's able to do it. That "if" is a big part of the question here. He can hold his own standing, too, though I think he loses if it's primarily a striking battle. Again, though, closer to the event, I'll rewatch and rethink a bit.
 
It's interesting that you approach it that way--not as a puzzle to solve or an athletic contest but primarily as a battle of will. Probably figures into our differing political views. I expect 100% motivation from Eddie in any fight (no "bonus" for fighting McGregor), and I think he got lucky against RDA (in that he was getting lit up in the short time before the beginning of the end and I'd pick RDA to win the majority of the time they fought). I definitely think he'd LNP or cagefuck if he's able to do it. That "if" is a big part of the question here. He can hold his own standing, too, though I think he loses if it's primarily a striking battle. Again, though, closer to the event, I'll rewatch and rethink a bit.

Well I don't really see his willingness to win in an ugly way as a battle of the wills, simply as an intelligent strategy by a man more interested in victory than praise. In that case it's a battle of skills, because if Eddie has the skills to secure takedowns and Conor doesn't have the skills to get back up, he'd be dumb not to exploit that to the fullest. By doing what it takes to win I see him being more of an "athlete" and less of an ego-driven meathead. A football player's goal is to win the game; how he does so is unimportant. With that said, I don't see the willingness to grind out a win as being mutually exclusive with being a puzzle-solving exercise or athletic contest.
 
I'll offer the same terms as (I think) I offered to the others, which was 1 month. More specifically, a 1 month av bet, same terms regarding selection of said av as you explained above. I'd like to do bets with people for MMA fights not too long after election, so make it 11/09/16 until 12/09/16 and I'll agree.
Sounds good.
 
Ok in that case, if this needs to be formal... @Lead @Quipling

1. Winner of the Election
2. Quipling : Hillary - Rex :Trump
3. Nov. 8 2016
4. Loser of the bet changes his av to a suitably presidential picture of the winning candidate (Or just a standard sig/av bet, whichever you prefer).
5. Nov. 9 2016 - Dec. 9 2016

I agree to the above. Formally or whatever.
 
Sounds good.

Ok in that case, if this needs to be formal... @Lead @Quipling

1. Winner of the Election
2. Quipling : Hillary - Rex :Trump
3. Nov. 8 2016
4. Loser of the bet changes his av to a suitably presidential picture of the winning candidate (Or just a standard sig/av bet, whichever you prefer).
5. Nov. 9 2016 - Dec. 9 2016

I agree to the above. Formally or whatever.

Well done. I'm removing the end part on 4 with the parentheses.
 
Well I don't really see his willingness to win in an ugly way as a battle of the wills, simply as an intelligent strategy by a man more interested in victory than praise. In that case it's a battle of skills, because if Eddie has the skills to secure takedowns and Conor doesn't have the skills to get back up, he'd be dumb not to exploit that to the fullest. By doing what it takes to win I see him being more of an "athlete" and less of an ego-driven meathead. A football player's goal is to win the game; how he does so is unimportant. With that said, I don't see the willingness to grind out a win as being mutually exclusive with being a puzzle-solving exercise or athletic contest.

What do you think his announcement will be?
 
What do you think his announcement will be?

Dee being preggo. From what I've heard it isn't a negative thing so that would rule out a parent dying of cancer or something horrible like that. He's also probably burned out and just wants a break; he's had a really busy schedule.
 
Dee being preggo. From what I've heard it isn't a negative thing so that would rule out a parent dying of cancer or something horrible like that. He's also probably burned out and just wants a break; he's had a really busy schedule.

Sooo that just means he will vacate a belt?
 
Well I don't really see his willingness to win in an ugly way as a battle of the wills, simply as an intelligent strategy by a man more interested in victory than praise. In that case it's a battle of skills, because if Eddie has the skills to secure takedowns and Conor doesn't have the skills to get back up, he'd be dumb not to exploit that to the fullest. By doing what it takes to win I see him being more of an "athlete" and less of an ego-driven meathead. A football player's goal is to win the game; how he does so is unimportant. With that said, I don't see the willingness to grind out a win as being mutually exclusive with being a puzzle-solving exercise or athletic contest.

I was referring to the comments about his motivation and the idea that he might employ a suboptimal strategy out of excitement. I'm not even saying that you're (necessarily) wrong. It's not that far removed from what my friend was saying about habits. It really is interesting to me that you look at it that way.

Really, really looking forward to the event. All of the main-card (and a lot of the undercard) is really high-level fights, and four of them look very likely to be great fights (I'm super excited about Weidman/Romero, but I don't expect it to be a great action fight). At the moment, I'm picking against two champs. You live in NY, right? Are you going?
 
There's no need for these bets. On the 9th of November over half the WR is going to freely e-suicide in epic fashion. Anyone who's not a Trump supporter had better disable images on this site if you're at work. The porn and tears will flow. Maximum Over-Rustle will be achieved. Sweet days ahead. MMmmmmMmmmMmmm.....
 
Sooo that just means he will vacate a belt?

He's definitely going to have to vacate the FW belt. I'm not upset about him "tying up the division" right now because it wasn't that long ago that he won it; about 10 months, which is still 4 months less than Aldo has gone without defending it, and Cruz was out for something like 2+ years before finally being stripped. But obviously taking a year off (or however long he's planning) is too much. As far as the LW belt...lol, yeah, then he's going to tie that division up and they'll be forced to make another interim belt due to him. Funny (though so funny for contenders, admittedly).

I was referring to the comments about his motivation and the idea that he might employ a suboptimal strategy out of excitement. I'm not even saying that you're (necessarily) wrong. It's not that far removed from what my friend was saying about habits. It really is interesting to me that you look at it that way.

Eddie did an interview after the Dos Anjos fight and admitted to such, so it seems entirely possible. The amount of pressure on him and level of energy in the venue is going to be far greater at 205 than the FOX card Eddie won the belt on. I'm not sure how that's going to effect him, but by his own admission he can let his emotions dictate strategy. Never an encouraging thing to hear if you're a fan and he's facing McGregor, the master of manipulating emotions for his benefit.

Really, really looking forward to the event. All of the main-card (and a lot of the undercard) is really high-level fights, and four of them look very likely to be great fights (I'm super excited about Weidman/Romero, but I don't expect it to be a great action fight). At the moment, I'm picking against two champs. You live in NY, right? Are you going?

I'm really looking forward to it, too. It's unbelievably stacked. UFC 200 ended up being mediocre despite their promises it'd be legendary, and 202 ended up being "the real 200," as everyone said. But 202's run is going to be short-lived, as it seems 205 will be "the real 200," where it's stacked top-to-bottom. I'm not going to go, though. Guess I'm a bit of a Vulcan. The whole appeal of being there and feeling the energy and stuff doesn't appeal to me as much as having the best seat in the house (i.e. my TV). Aren't you in the Tri-State area? Are you going for one of those $25k tickets?
 
I'm really looking forward to it, too. It's unbelievably stacked. UFC 200 ended up being mediocre despite their promises it'd be legendary, and 202 ended up being "the real 200," as everyone said. But 202's run is going to be short-lived, as it seems 205 will be "the real 200," where it's stacked top-to-bottom. I'm not going to go, though. Guess I'm a bit of a Vulcan. The whole appeal of being there and feeling the energy and stuff doesn't appeal to me as much as having the best seat in the house (i.e. my TV). Aren't you in the Tri-State area? Are you going for one of those $25k tickets?

I'm in the SF Bay Area (so just a hop away from Vegas, and there have been a few shows around here--including the epically shitty 177 and Silva/Sonnen I). What I do is order it and watch it that way later. It is a lot of fun being there, and the non-Vegas shows are usually cheaper.
 
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@HereticBD , not sure if I've tagged you yet but are you interested in any bets for the election? I'm not sure if you see the race as too close to call but there are ways to adjust for that and still make a bet. I've still got an av bet open I can make. Tell me your thoughts
 
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