Rumored The UFC Twitter account sends out DMs stating Mcgregor vs Poirier 2 is now for the title!

[Mga223]

Hence why Dana hates walk off champions. prefers fighters to do the job and job out on the way out.

Well gsp the first time I understood but the mw win and vacate was dirty.

 

[kflo]

Why would I look at their fights against Cowboy as proof of anything? First of all the Conor fight was a high profile main event which we all know Cowboy doesn't have a great history with and secondly the Pettis fight didn't start with a faked glove touch into overhand left resulting in Cowboy panic ducking straight into Conors knee pretty much ending the fight before it started.

The Cowboy fight is also the only thing we can judge Conor on over the last several years and it's a fight he hand picked and the result, (imo) is a little tainted thanks to the aforementioned fake tap.

Just look at Pettis vs Thompson to see Conor isn't actually on a "different tier" than Pettis (I know, its equally as irrelevant as your comparison but that was the point).

I've always had a good relationship with you and respect your opinion most of the time but obviously I don't at all this time.

The thing that bothers me is people love to talk about how "elite" Conor is but the reality is the guy has 4 career top 10 wins and Pettis literally has 3 times as many top 10 wins as Conor has top 10 fights (even if you're being generous and counting fights he asked to be at WW against ranked LWs as top 10 wins).

Half of Conors record is against nobodies and he has gone out of his way to avoid consistently facing top competition unless he can dictate the terms while Pettis spent the last decade fighting nothing but top 10 competition.

Conor was an active fighter right up until he faced his first top 10 opponent. He had 18 fights in the first 6 years of his career before this and in the 6 years prior he's had 8 (3 of them in the first year including Aldo).

He really hasn't shown us anything to suggest he can consistently beat top competition (unlike Pettis) but his super fans still act like he's on the level of a GSP or Silva, it's crazy.

The guy's a good fighter and an undeniably spectacular opportunist who managed to make the most out of opportunity's he likely never would have gotten if he had to play by the same rules as everyone else, which, credit where credits due, he's on a level all his own.

EDIT* I'm pretty drunk right now and I don't feel like that came out quite as clearly as I intended so for that I apologize but hopefully you are still able to decipher what I was going for.

Ufc rankings (at time of conor fight)
Poirier - 5
Siver - 10
Mendes - 2
Aldo - c
Diaz - 5
Diaz - 4
Alvarez - c
Khabib - c
Cerrone - 5 https://www.mma-stats.com/rankings/2019-12-24
Poirier - 2

He’s fought top 10 his last 10 fights since he became a challenger and top 5 9 of them (7 of them wins so far).

Cerrone was +250 against conor. Even after the conor loss, he was only +105 against pettis in his very next fight. That’s a pretty good indicator of how they are perceived.

Pettis’ last win as a truly elite fighter was in 2014, about the time conor’s top 10 run above started.

I respect Pettis and think he’s had a great career. I’m not disrespecting that. He’s just perceived, and his record the last 6 years suggests, he’s not at the elite level at the moment. We’ll see if conor is soon.

 

[boss429]

Ufc rankings (at time of conor fight)
Poirier - 5
Siver - 10
Mendes - 2
Aldo - c
Diaz - 5
Diaz - 4
Alvarez - c
Khabib - c
Cerrone - 5 https://www.mma-stats.com/rankings/2019-12-24
Poirier - 2

He’s fought top 10 his last 10 fights since he became a challenger and top 5 9 of them (7 of them wins so far).

Cerrone was +250 against conor. Even after the conor loss, he was only +105 against pettis in his very next fight. That’s a pretty good indicator of how they are perceived.

Pettis’ last win as a truly elite fighter was in 2014, about the time conor’s top 10 run above started.

I respect Pettis and think he’s had a great career. I’m not disrespecting that. He’s just perceived, and his record the last 6 years suggests, he’s not at the elite level at the moment. We’ll see if conor is soon.

Yeah, except he fought Cowboy and Nate at WW where they weren't ranked and therefore aren't ranked fights and Siver magically went from 12th to 8th, (he was actually 8th) after signing to fight Conor with the only thing changing being KZ being removed to go join the army (dropping Dustin to 5th from 6th also.)

Because of this Siver doesn't count as a top 10 win since signing a contract isn't a logical reason to gain 4 spots in the rankings in anyone's mind.

Betting odds don't really mean much dude, especially in Conor fights.

 

[kflo]

Yeah, except he fought Cowboy and Nate at WW where they weren't ranked and therefore aren't ranked fights and Siver magically went from 12th to 8th, (he was actually 8th) after signing to fight Conor with the only thing changing being KZ being removed to go join the army (dropping Dustin to 5th from 6th also.)

Because of this Siver doesn't count as a top 10 win since signing a contract isn't a logical reason to gain 4 spots in the rankings in anyone's mind.

Betting odds don't really mean much dude, especially in Conor fights.

is your position really that if conor fought nate and cowboy at lw, they would be good wins, but because he fought them at ww, they become worse wins, and worse competition? is that really the position? i don't really care if you count them as top 10 wins. but you can't really change their quality as an opponent. they don't magically become inferior opponents for another lw.

you can use this to trace siver's rankings
https://www.mma-stats.com/rankings/2014-09-29
https://www.mma-stats.com/fighters/Dennis-Siver
he was 11th before his fight with rosa (fight before conor).
he passed stephens with his win against rosa (stephens was coming off a loss himself) and moved to #10.
he was 10 when the fight with conor was announced on oct 24th.
he moved to 9 after the conor fight was announced, up 1 spot (passing lenz).
he moved to 8 when zombie was removed from the rankings for inactivity on nov 10 (and he publicly stated his intent to join the military for 2 years at this time)
he moved back down to 9 on dec 22 (lenz passed siver)
he moved down to 10 on jan 5, being passed by oliveira, his last ranking before the conor fight

yet, somehow, that's all nefarious.....the history has been distorted by the haters. he was 10 when the fight was announced, and he was 10 when they fought, even with a higher ranked fighter dropping out of the rankings. he passed stephens, and was passed himself by oliveira (and oliveira beat stephens in that time).

as for betting odds, c'mon. conor was a big favorite against cerrone. if you're suggesting the expert opinion was that the true odds were much closer, well that's a pretty unpopular opinion. the hindsight opinion is that it was a squash match (mismatch). yet, the pettis fight was an even odds fight, and rightfully so (this was after cerrone was destroyed by conor). and in reality, it was a pick 'em fight. they are evenly matched.

 

[jjjjjjjjjjohnny]

khabib drops the title and takes on GSP - makes sense!

 

[boss429]

is your position really that if conor fought nate and cowboy at lw, they would be good wins, but because he fought them at ww, they become worse wins, and worse competition? is that really the position? i don't really care if you count them as top 10 wins. but you can't really change their quality as an opponent. they don't magically become inferior opponents for another lw.

you can use this to trace siver's rankings
https://www.mma-stats.com/rankings/2014-09-29
https://www.mma-stats.com/fighters/Dennis-Siver
he was 11th before his fight with rosa (fight before conor).
he passed stephens with his win against rosa (stephens was coming off a loss himself) and moved to #10.
he was 10 when the fight with conor was announced on oct 24th.
he moved to 9 after the conor fight was announced, up 1 spot (passing lenz).
he moved to 8 when zombie was removed from the rankings for inactivity on nov 10 (and he publicly stated his intent to join the military for 2 years at this time)
he moved back down to 9 on dec 22 (lenz passed siver)
he moved down to 10 on jan 5, being passed by oliveira, his last ranking before the conor fight

yet, somehow, that's all nefarious.....the history has been distorted by the haters. he was 10 when the fight was announced, and he was 10 when they fought, even with a higher ranked fighter dropping out of the rankings. he passed stephens, and was passed himself by oliveira (and oliveira beat stephens in that time).

as for betting odds, c'mon. conor was a big favorite against cerrone. if you're suggesting the expert opinion was that the true odds were much closer, well that's a pretty unpopular opinion. the hindsight opinion is that it was a squash match (mismatch). yet, the pettis fight was an even odds fight, and rightfully so (this was after cerrone was destroyed by conor). and in reality, it was a pick 'em fight. they are evenly matched.

The official UFC rankings tell a different story but whatever, I'll let that one go.

Diaz and Cerrone were nobodies at WW so yeah, they aren't ranked wins if you're to lazy to do your job and fight in your (and their) proper division. Big weight cuts can definitely make for a very different fight. But in fairness they are obviously still descent wins, they just aren't ranked wins.

On a side note how did Cowboy go from 5th when he fought Conor to 11th before the Pettis fight without getting beaten by anyone below him in the rankings? Shits fucked up.

Also prior to the Cowboy fight Pettis had knocked out a legit top 5 WW, had only been defeated by top 5 LWs and had easily destroyed Cowboy the first time they fought while Cowboy had been finished 3 times in his 3 prior fights so how exactly was it seen as an even odds "pickum" fight?

They clearly weren't evenly matched and before the fight I don't recall anybody expecting a Cowboy win or for the fight to end up being as competitive as it would end up being.

Anyways, I think it's pretty clear we're at the "agree to disagree" point here and this debate is fairly pointless to continue so cheers dude. I always appreciate your ability to engage in a civil disagreement.