International The Trumpnator: Trump’s killing of Qassem Suleimani led to fall of Assad, says Tugendhat

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Ex-security minister says assassination ordered by Trump set off chain of events that led to revolution in Syria

Donald Trump’s decision to sanction the assassination of an elite Iranian commander triggered a chain of events that has revealed Iran as a paper tiger and led to the overthrow of Basher al-Assad, a former UK security minister has said.

Tom Tugendhat, now on the Conservative backbenches and intending to focus on foreign policy, also predicted the Iranian regime would collapse in a few years. He said that if handled properly, Syria could become the economic powerhouse of the Middle East within a decade.

It is unusual for a former British cabinet minister to lavish praise on what is seen by some as such a controversial act bordering on an extrajudicial killing.


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His remarks were made shortly before the fifth anniversary of Qassem Suleimani’s killing in Baghdad, an anniversary that led the Iranian supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, again to claim in a speech in Tehran that the Syrian leadership would be forced to withdraw as “youth rises up” to defeat the newly installed Sunni regime.

Suleimani was instrumental in using Syria and Iraq as a base from which to drive back the Sunni Islamist group Islamic State and to entrench Iranian interests in both countries.

Tugendhat argued on the Conflicted podcast that Suleimani’s death in a drone attack had proved to be a turning point.

He said: “I’m always struck by how some people can be much more seminal, much more key, pivotal to an organisation than you realise at the time. The reality is when Qassem Suleimani was killed in January 2020, he held in his head all the relationships, all the deals for everybody around the region.
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“He was replaced, but he wasn’t really, because nobody could replace the personal 20-year relationships that he held. That’s really the unpicking. So I have to say, I know it’s not popular, but President Trump, effectively, was the trigger that began the fall of the Assad regime.”

Tugendhat, a former chair of the foreign affairs select committee, also saw a crisis inside the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) due to the loss of Syria. He said: “Young members of the IRGC are saying two things. One, the old guard are corrupt and incompetent. That’s why Hezbollah has been hung out to dry and defeated. That’s why old allies like Assad have fallen. That’s one thing they’re saying.

“The second thing they’re saying is that they’re hearing rumours, I don’t know how true they are, but they’re hearing rumours that the ayatollah and the government in Tehran wants to talk to the Americans to try and find a way out of this and perhaps hang on. And they’re saying that there’s absolutely no way that anybody can talk to the killers of Qassem Suleimani.
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“Now, this means that there is a really big problem within the regime itself, a really big challenge, because actually there’s no way through. These young people, the extremists in the IRGC, so the extremists of the extreme, are trying to hold the regime to a level of purity that is just now completely inconsistent with reality.”

Tugendhat was reflecting on the growing consensus in the reformist government in Tehran that direct talks with Donald Trump over a new nuclear deal should be sought, a belief that is meeting resistance from hardliners.

Tugendhat, an opponent of the initial nuclear deal in 2015 and as a security minister an advocate of proscribing the IRGC, sees the revolution in Syria as a wider turning point.
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- So. You guys know, he looked me in the eyes, crying and begging. Said:
Mr Trump: I just want peace!
- So i hold my legally brought gun and point to his temple, and i just said: I want your pieces, motherfucker!


He said: “Frankly, if we get Syria right in 10 years, Syria could be absolutely not just a pole of stability but a fantastic economic powerhouse in the region, exporting stability and civilisation, as it has done for quite literally tens of thousands of years, to the rest of the world again.

“There are moments like now when the old era is dead, the old illusions are dead, and various things are killing it. And I suspect that the regime in Tehran will be gone in the next few years as well. So I think there’s a real opportunity for freedom to spread and for opportunity to spread.”

At the same time, he said, there were significant dangers in Syria, with the country divided as Kurdish groups and the radical Sunni Islamist group Hayat al-Tahrir Sham (HTS) fight for influence.

Tugendhat accused the west of having no long-term strategy in the Middle East, arguing that the withdrawal from Afghanistan and the failure of Barack Obama to act on his red lines when Assad used chemical weapons in 2013 had given an opportunity for Vladimir Putin to present himself as a reliable strongman.

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At various forks in the road, Tugendhat argued, the west “demonstrated weakness, advertised fickleness”.

He said: “Putin is no more constant than we are, but he has the illusion of it. And this is the sort of complete fake strongman theory of life. It’s complete rubbish, of course, but the illusion of it appears real, and that’s enough to have brought certain decisions which have led to mass misery.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...leimani-triggered-fall-of-assad-tom-tugendhat

 
Special operation is going as had been planned and will be continued. Putin.

Looks that some equipment they ordered to deliver from Syria to russia with intent later deliver this to dumbass area for deNazification special operation. Russia mainly for this uses 20 ft and 40 ft containers.
 
A bit of a weird analysis. Especially:

He said: “Frankly, if we get Syria right in 10 years, Syria could be absolutely not just a pole of stability but a fantastic economic powerhouse in the region, exporting stability and civilisation, as it has done for quite literally tens of thousands of years, to the rest of the world again.

That's wildly optimistic. Syria is in bad shape and 10 years isn't all that long of a time-period.
 
A bit of a weird analysis. Especially:

He said: “Frankly, if we get Syria right in 10 years, Syria could be absolutely not just a pole of stability but a fantastic economic powerhouse in the region, exporting stability and civilisation, as it has done for quite literally tens of thousands of years, to the rest of the world again.

That's wildly optimistic. Syria is in bad shape and 10 years isn't all that long of a time-period.
That day is gone with the Islamic taking over and likely slaughtering any Christians in the region
 
RIGHT ON OP

I was just about to start a thread on how badass that move was looking back, this is wild finding this thread almost as soon as I thought of the thread. <twilight zone theme>


At the time I hated Trump and thought it was an ignorant move ….but it did SOOO much for Trump. Namely it emboldened him and laid the groundwork that even though he says he does not want war he is not someone to be Fd with. Look at how weak Iran is now with Trump making another go around.


Iran is not happy rn lol
 
I believe this was also around the time Israel sent drones and gunned down a certain individual working on nuclear weapons.
 
I hurt my knee squatting last week. Thought I lifted too heavy, but now I'm thinking goddamn Donald Trump caused it
 
Wow Trump's so awesome, basically a prophet, he can see the future. Maybe we should worship him like a god?!?!

Domestically Trump is just gawd awful. I mean, just the worst, most juvenile and divisive sort of person you could ever imagine as president. Somewhat beyond what most could have imagined prior to 2015, in fact. And what his constant nastiness did to dangerously politicize Covid (although he got plenty of help from the Dems with that), not to mention the continued undemocratic rhetoric in the refusal to concede the 2020 election is well beyond that pale.

But his foreign policy, especially when dealing with strongmen and rogue nations, has been pretty spot on. Probably more effective than any president in my lifetime, if I'm honest. I feel like it's very naive to attribute the relative peace during his presidency to mere chance, when this event and the Syrian red line attack pretty clearly communicated a message that strongmen around the world evidently picked up loud and clear.

(The odd counter argument, that Putin didn't advance during the Trump years because he knew Trump was his lapdog and would let him do whatever he wanted, doesn't even make logical sense... like, wouldn't that make you more likely to strike? While your lapdog is still in the Whitehouse, and before the next election possibly closes that window of opportunity? It's a baffling theory.)

The one president who is comparable is Reagan with his success in effectively ending the cold war and the part he played in transforming the Soviet Union. But in the meantime, he was mucking up the Middle East and Central America pretty badly.
 
How about if you need my tax dollars to make it work we just let the fucking thing burn. How about that?!?
 
Doubt it

Russia is preoccupied. Russia was the only reason Assad didn’t fall back then.

Turkey(NATO), CIA and Mossad got their ISIS(not buying the Woke Islamic State rebrand) hounds the funding to do a blitz before Trump takes over where they fear Ukraine will be taken off the tit naturally leading to a de-escalation of conflict where Ukraine has less offensives and Russia has less need for defense of won territories.

At which point Russia could’ve bombed the ever loving shit out of “the rebels” again.

Trump’s arrival will likely lead to ceasefires in Gaza and Lebanon as well since Hamas and others know Trump will let Bibi go ham if they don’t spread the checks and free hostages. Not saying it’s right but it’s the way it is.

So that frees up Iran as well.

Soleimani was just a message. I honestly saw no other reason for it. Dude was likely just over there fighting ISIS. Though it was fun to watch Iran’s bumbling response and the left cheering them on.
 
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