The Stupidest Debate of All Time: GOAT

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Can we please stop debating who is the GOAT or best ever mixed martial artist. It doesn’t make any sense. No one will EVER be the official GOAT of mixed martial artist. The MMA community will never come to consensus as to what criteria should be used to compare fighters, let alone determine the weight of each criteria and how the fighters stack up against each other. All that is left is a gigantic pile of bullshit over a multi-layered subjective topic that means sweet fuck all.

For example, I could come up with a logical argument for Royce Gracie being the greatest ever based on legacy, effect on MMA technique, ability compared to the fighters at the time, earnings compared to fighters at the time, percent of fan base that were a fan of him at the time, his size compared to those he fought in his prime (like what is “Prime” isn’t another load of garbage) etc. Annnnd… it would mean nothing.

My favorite fighter of all time is GSP and he has one of the strongest arguments for GOAT. But so the fuck what. At best, I would simply be giving my respect to a fighter I admire. That’s it. Nobody is going to give him a trophy because I think he is the best. He won’t be called GOAT on his tombstone and it won’t be mentioned in the history books. In a couple of decades, people will be talking about a completely different bunch of fighters being the GOAT and it will mean just as little then as it does now.

For the record, I have no problem with people saying that a particular fighter is the GOAT as a compliment to a fighter they admire. Even better is people using it as a joke as it pisses idiots off to no end and the entire discussion deserves to be mocked mercilessly. Its sad that people take this topic seriously though.


P.S. Conor is GOAT. He has made the most money in the shortest amount of time and that is why people fight professionally. So the cheese is all that matters. Suck it. :p
 
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The sport is too young for that talk.
 
Ok. No more GOAT discussions.
 
threads to discuss the goat are always far better than threads to discuss how we shouldn't have threads to discuss the goat
 
For example, I could come up with a logical argument for Royce Gracie being the greatest ever based on legacy, effect on MMA technique, ability compared to the fighters at the time, earnings compared to fighters at the time, percent of fan base that were a fan of him at the time, his size compared to those he fought in his prime (like what is “Prime” isn’t another load of garbage) etc. Annnnd… it would mean nothing.

This is why the GOAT discussion is so fun, though. It might amount to nothing, but it's fun to think about all the greats, what they have done in the world of MMA and compare their accomplishments with other fighters who have accomplished similar things. It's engaging and informative. It only arises because people are really passionate about MMA. Not something to take seriously, really.
 
GOAT is pretty obvious, it is Jones. He would beat anyone else who ever fought, ergo GOAT. silly question
 
Ask divisional GOATs (Werdum, Jones, GSP, BJ Penn, Aldo, Ronda) Who is the GOAT.... They would said Fedor.

/thread
 
This is why the GOAT discussion is so fun, though. It might amount to nothing, but it's fun to think about all the greats, what they have done in the world of MMA and compare their accomplishments with other fighters who have accomplished similar things. It's engaging and informative. It only arises because people are really passionate about MMA. Not something to take seriously, really.

You know what, that is fair enough. I guess I should have said, "Can people stop being so defensive over the GOAT debate". People actually claim to hate Conor because of people calling him GOAT. I mean, how pathetic is that.
 
Ask divisional GOATs (Werdum, Jones, GSP, BJ Penn, Aldo, Ronda) Who is the GOAT.... They would said Fedor.

/thread
You mean Werdum, the guy who tapped Fedor while Fedor was in his "prime". I think Werdum gets the GOAT belt. He fought the better competition.
 
Tier 1:
Fedor - Consenus #1 of his division for 6 years with 19 victories during his championship reign
Anderson - Consensus #1 of his division for 6 years 15 victories during his championship reign
GSP - Consensus #1 of his division for 6 years with 11 victories during his championship reign

Tier 2:
Jones - Consensus #1 of his division for 5 years with 10 victories during his championship reign
Aldo - Consensus #1 of his division for 5 years with 10 victories during his championship reign

Tier 3:
Nogueira - Consensus top 5 HW for 10 consecutive years
Hughes - Consensus top 5 WW for 8 consecutive years
Hendo - Consensus top 5 MW/LHW for 8 consecutive years

Happy to help.
 
Wow, you had me until that last sentence. Seriously though your right. The whole goat thing means nada.
 
Tier 1:
Fedor - Consenus #1 of his division for 6 years with 19 victories during his championship reign
Anderson - Consensus #1 of his division for 6 years 15 victories during his championship reign
GSP - Consensus #1 of his division for 6 years with 11 victories during his championship reign

Tier 2:
Jones - Consensus #1 of his division for 5 years with 10 victories during his championship reign
Aldo - Consensus #1 of his division for 5 years with 10 victories during his championship reign

Tier 3:
Nogueira - Consensus top 5 HW for 10 consecutive years
Hughes - Consensus top 5 WW for 8 consecutive years
Hendo - Consensus top 5 MW/LHW for 8 consecutive years

Happy to help.


GSP also has the most top 5 wins out of any fighter

17 = GSP (+1, Penn @ LW) (LATEST UPDATE)

12 = Anderson (+1, Newton @ WW)

10 = Hughes

9 = Randy

8 = BJ Penn (+1, Ludwig @ LW*, though both were ranked at LW)
8 = Minotauro (+1, Hendo @ LHW)
8 = Chuck (+1, Horn @ MW)

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/gsp-most-top-5-wins-hendo-most-top-10-wins.2483907/
 
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