The "Striker vs Wrestler" Narrative Always Ends The Same Way

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

...with the striker getting grapple-fucked

why do we continue to get excited for these matchups?

unless that striker pulls some miracle out of his ass (like Anderson against Sonnen), the striker loses 9 times out of 10

wolf tickets bro <{chips}>

Lol was wondering something similar earlier. I mean it's been the same shit over and over since UFC 2. The wrestler takes it 75% of the time at least.

 

[Iroh]

Because we might also be rooting for the grappler?

 

[Worthmore]

UFC needs to fix their rules so you get automatic point deduction if you dive for the legs or clinch against the cage and so you must go for a finish or else you lose.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

...with the striker getting grapple-fucked

why do we continue to get excited for these matchups?

unless that striker pulls some miracle out of his ass (like Anderson against Sonnen), the striker loses 9 times out of 10

wolf tickets bro <{chips}>

It's annoying. That's why I recommended some rule change (something, anything) to make it a bit more fair for strikers, lest it become the Ultimate Wrestling Championship. It's boring as shit when elite wrestler meets elite striker, which it shouldn't be.

Masvidal did an amazing job neutralizing Colby's wrestling until he gassed in round 4 or whatever, but he can't stop infinite takedown attempts. And Colby's wrestling even opened up striking opportunities for him on the feet, giving him the advantage there at times, which is bogus.

But guys like @Sweater of AV insist that wrestling needs to remain at the top of the heap as far as styles go.

Not me, I think more style parity makes it more interesting to watch.

 

[Sweater of AV]

It's annoying. That's why I recommended a rule change to make it a bit more fair for strikers, lest it become the Ultimate Wrestling Championship. It's boring as shit when elite wrestler meets elite striker, which it shouldn't be.

Masvidal did an amazing job neutralizing Colby's wrestling until he gassed in round 4 or whatever, but he can't stop infinite takedown attempts. And Colby's wrestling even opened up striking opportunities for him on the feet, giving him the advantage there at times, which is bogus.

But guys like @Sweater of AV insist that wrestling needs to remain at the top of the heap as far as styles go.

Not me, I think more style parity makes it more interesting to watch.

I understand you're still upset that I made you look silly. I never said wrestling needs to remain at the top. I said there's a reason why it's one of the most important bases for the sport under most reasonable rulesets and will dominate a pure striker.

"And Colby's wrestling even opened up striking opportunities for him on the feet, giving him the advantage there at times, which is bogus."

You need to take a break from thinking. You have some of the dumbest takes I've ever seen.

 

[Zed237]

A wrestler who can maintain high pace is the best overall style in MMA despite exceptions. Having said that, there are examples of fighters with exceptional tdd like aldo, yan, Joanna etc that beat wrestlers. And I think what separates them is that gas tank to keep defending without getting tired. Masvidal can defend but he loses gas, so he won't beat these guys.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

I understand you're still upset that I made you look silly. I never said wrestling needs to remain at the top. I said there's a reason why it's one of the most important bases for the sport under most reasonable rulesets and will dominate a pure striker.

"And Colby's wrestling even opened up striking opportunities for him on the feet, giving him the advantage there at times, which is bogus."

You need to take a break from thinking. You have some of the dumbest ideas I've ever seen.

lol bruh enough with the delusional victory claiming please. your point about the 'natural' utility of wrestling was nothing more than a puffed up opinion.

onto the the point is: wrestlers have the advantage everywhere against fighters with pure striking + excellent defensive wrestling. they have all these advantages based purely on the style of fighting that they chose, which is ridiculous. it's a boring as hell matchup. TS is noticing this, many people are noticing this. A rule change could fix this.

Cry all you want, but that's the reality.

 

[Sweater of AV]

lol bruh enough with the delusional victory claiming please. your point about the 'natural' utility of wrestling was nothing more than a puffed up opinion.

onto the the point is: wrestlers have the advantage everywhere against fighters with pure striking + excellent defensive wrestling. it's a boring as hell matchup. TS is noticing this, many people are noticing this. A rule change could fix this.

Cry all you want, but that's the reality.

The reality is wrestlers keep beating your favorite fighters and you're butthurt.



Keep crying numbnuts.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

The reality is wrestlers keep beating your favorite fighters and you're butthurt.



Keep crying numbnuts.

For your info, I like Colby and Masvidal the same. Like it or not, there are many more people like TS and I who think this matchup is bogus.

 

[Leonard Haid]

Etcetera etcetera...if TS hadn't used the word "always" he wouldn't have sounded like such a moron.

 

[Sweater of AV]

For your info, I like Colby and Masvidal the same. Like it or not, there are many more people like TS and I who think this matchup is bogus.

There's nothing "bogus" about it. You're just angry things don't go the way you want.

As mentioned, there are plenty of cases where the opposite happens but you're just an angry fangirl of particular fighters.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

There's nothing "bogus" about it. You're just angry things don't go the way you want.

As mentioned, there are plenty of cases where the opposite happens but you're just an angry fangirl of particular fighters.

As other people in this thread have said, it's the general rule. There are always exceptions (although many of these so-called exceptions aren't the best examples) to a general rule, but it remains a fact that choosing a certain style (ESPECIALLY choosing it from an early age) gives a huge advantage.

It's very easy to tweak your autism, so I know you're ready for another rapid 20 post exchange, but I'll leave it at this. Just read some of the other responses in this thread from other people to see that this is not some bugbear of mine, it's a very real dynamic.

 

[Sweater of AV]

As other people in this thread have said, it's the general rule. There are always exceptions (although many of these so-called exceptions aren't the best examples) to a general rule, but it remains a fact that choosing a certain style (ESPECIALLY choosing it from an early age) gives a huge advantage.

It's very easy to tweak your autism, so I know you're ready for another rapid 20 post exchange, but I'll leave it at this. Just read some of the other responses in this thread from other people to see that this is not some bugbear of mine, it's a very real dynamic.

You're out here begging for my attention after I made you look like an idiot and you're calling me autistic?



Wrestling is one of the best bases for the sport under virtually all reasonable rulesets. There's a reason for that numbnuts. You're going to have to grow up and deal with it instead of being a baby. Go watch a different sport if you're upset.

 

[XNYHCX]

...with the striker getting grapple-fucked

why do we continue to get excited for these matchups?

unless that striker pulls some miracle out of his ass (like Anderson against Sonnen), the striker loses 9 times out of 10

wolf tickets bro <{chips}>

Silva had decent BJJ though.
He was the grappler versus Hendo and he arguably submitted Luter before that.

I agree with your point, just not the term miracle.

 

[CorninginChristianburg]

Lawler and Volk have wrestling background like Liddle....

The convenient switching between the words "grappler" and "wrestler" is convenient. Vettori is clearly not a wrestler, but if you frame it as "grappler", he's probably still not that but he's closer to that. While Volk is actually a wrestler and Ortega is a grappler, so Volk winning is not sur.

It's annoying. That's why I recommended some rule change (something, anything) to make it a bit more fair for strikers, lest it become the Ultimate Wrestling Championship. It's boring as shit when elite wrestler meets elite striker, which it shouldn't be.

Masvidal did an amazing job neutralizing Colby's wrestling until he gassed in round 4 or whatever, but he can't stop infinite takedown attempts. And Colby's wrestling even opened up striking opportunities for him on the feet, giving him the advantage there at times, which is bogus.

But guys like @Sweater of AV insist that wrestling needs to remain at the top of the heap as far as styles go.

Not me, I think more style parity makes it more interesting to watch.

The rules are already wildly discriminatory against wrestlers so no, this is not necessary.

There are no (1) knees to a downed opponent, (2) 12-6 elbows, (3) headbutts, (4) targeted head slams, (5) strikes to the back of the head.

If the rules were actually fair, it would be closer to "Ultimate Wrestling Championship" than it is today.

 

[XNYHCX]

Hughes was toast by that fight. He outwrestled BJ in their 2nd and got submitted in their 1st, which are both more more telling.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

The reality is wrestlers keep beating your favorite fighters and you're butthurt.



Keep crying numbnuts.

Most of the current UFC champions come from a striking or BJJ base.

 

[Cowboy Kurt Angle]

Expect Izzy

 

[Sweater of AV]

Most of the current UFC champions come from a striking or BJJ base.

The current UFC has effectively neutered high-level wrestlers from their roster. However, it's an extremely subtle topic and many fighters have taken what they need from wrestling, or related disciplines, in order to be successful.

 

[JohnySpo7]

If this fight was scored as a boxing (or Kick-boxing) contest...Colby would still be the winner.