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I think you need call backs. and it would be odd to only have picard from tng. he's likely going to have long standing relationships with all those old players.

Data has to go though. Spiner has aged well beyond the make up. But I do agree the majority of the show should be new and interesting players.
Certainly, but if they wanted to throw the money at a guest episode they could potentially CGI him. The risks of falling into the uncanny-valley are less because he's supposed to be an android.
 
I think Picard should be at least the head of Star Fleet or high ranking Federation official at this point, given Stewart's age. I'm actually interested in the political struggles in a post-scarcity society, and Picard attempting to navigate through the dark secrets behind the face of the Federation (i.e. Section 31).
 
I'm very cautiously optimistic. If nothing else, I want to know what the hell happened to the ST universe post Dominion War. At the time of DS9 (which has aged the best in my opinion), I was expecting movies related to the war.
 
Do we dare bring back Q?
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He's only 70 years old John de Lancie but I think the character is best left in the past.

He was my favorite returning antagonists, but ya...that story line has run it's course.
 
I'd really like to see LeVar Burton's La Forge return for this series to flesh out the cast, possibly as a Captain helping out Picard with whatever's going on.

Also would like to see Gates McFadden as Crusher, obviously, and somehow get Brent Spiner.. He can play a Soong of some sort. Maybe somehow get Ro Laren back? What's ole Michelle Forbes up to? In regards to Q, and given that de Lancie has aged as well, he could still antagonize Picard, even "appearing older" to remind Picard of his mortality while Q can just do whatever he wants.

Would be down for any cameos from the DS9 crew, especially Sisko, Kira, Miles, Garek, Martok, and well, just get Jeffrey Combs on the damn show. Would like to see a stand off between Kira and Ro.

Don't like that it's on All Access, but would watch.
 
I'd really like to see LeVar Burton's La Forge return for this series to flesh out the cast, possibly as a Captain helping out Picard with whatever's going on.

Also would like to see Gates McFadden as Crusher, obviously, and somehow get Brent Spiner.. He can play a Soong of some sort. Maybe somehow get Ro Laren back? What's ole Michelle Forbes up to? In regards to Q, and given that de Lancie has aged as well, he could still antagonize Picard, even "appearing older" to remind Picard of his mortality while Q can just do whatever he wants.

Would be down for any cameos from the DS9 crew, especially Sisko, Kira, Miles, Garek, Martok, and well, just get Jeffrey Combs on the damn show. Would like to see a stand off between Kira and Ro.

Don't like that it's on All Access, but would watch.
Shatner, Takie, and Nichols need to make cameos. I don’t care if they’re Stan Lee style cameos.
 
He should do his Avery Bullock person on Star Trek not that would be fun
 
In the books Picard is currently in his mid 80s. He and Beverly get married shortly after the events in nemesis, and soon have a son Rene Jacques Robert Francois Picard(Named after his brother and nephew, who died in a fire in Generations). He and his family are still on board the big E, and he is still refusing promotions to admiral.
 
In the books Picard is currently in his mid 80s. He and Beverly get married shortly after the events in nemesis, and soon have a son Rene Jacques Robert Francois Picard(Named after his brother and nephew, who died in a fire in Generations). He and his family are still on board the big E, and he is still refusing promotions to admiral.
I've also read a book where Picard fights Cybermen.
 
Watching this



And seeing how Sir Patrick stresses in that this will be a much different Jean Luc Picard then the one we last saw...I think that's what got him jazzed to come back.

So my prediction now is that he's retired from starfleet, and will be a broken man from passed tragedies that happened in the 30 years between shows...

Perhaps he's dragged out of retirement to serve aboard a star ship that encountered something that he has familiarity with and they need an adviser of sorts.

I can get behind that.

So he won't an admiral. He won't be a captain...he will be an adviser to the captain of this star ship who is reluctant and brash and feels he doesn't need Picard's supervision or help?

Toss is an offspring all grown up like maybe Riker's son who is chief security officer or whatever just for a call back who will be on his side and is someone Picard can be familiar with.

Fuck it. Call me up paramount, I can write this shit.
 
I've mentioned I'm a member of an email chain with several super hardcore Star Trek fans, and I've shared their offerings in the past. I have another. It will interest almost none of you, but I'm sure a couple of you will find it valuable.

Yes I know some of you don’t give a rat’s ass about continuity, consistency, internal logic or scientific accuracy.​

In my rant, I’m not going to address scientific accuracy…
JJ ABrams is an illiterate drooling moron
... but I’ll just stick to the relationships between the competing Star Trek franchises.


Topic #1 The Real World and its effect on Star Trek.
For a time Viacom owned both CBS and Paramount. In the break up of Viacom, CBS retained the rights to Star Trek TV shows and control of all TV and Movie based Star Trek properties. Paramount retained rights to make Star Trek Movies for theatrical release.

CBS owns TOS and all Star Trek up to Star Trek Nemesis (2002) and Star Trek Enterprise (2001-2005).

Paramount is allowed to make Star Trek movies but cannot use the properties controlled by CBS without their consent. In other words, Paramount produced Star Trek is contractually obligated to be visually different from existing “Prime” Star Trek.

Topic #2 Star Trek Enterprise and the Prime Universe.
STE takes place in the Prime Universe and is overall very consistent with sticking to canon. The first three seasons (the Xindi War) take place during a Temporal Cold War that resolved itself at the start of the fourth season. It’s stated explicitly that many timelines were rewriting themselves and other timelines were being erased. I think this means many of the really odd or questionable events in seasons one, two and three may be considered ‘alternate timeline events’ but everything in season four is firmly in canon.

In particular I’d like to call attention to the season 4 ‘Mirror Darkly’ episode that has a TOS Constitution class cruiser (USS Defiant) fall through a dimensional rift from the TOS episode ‘The Tholian Web’ to 200 years in the past and arrive in the Mirror Universe which is also part of TOS. In the episode the Constitution class ship was correct in appearance, color and internal design. In short it was ‘Right’.

Topic #3 TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager and the Prime Movies.
No a lot to say here. It’s all Prime and it’s all canon.
The most notable episodes include
TNG’s Pilot episode with McCoy.
TNG episodes with Sarek and Spock
TNG episode ‘Relics’ with Scotty and a ‘correct’ Enterprise bridge.
DS9’s episodes that fill in events in the Mirror Universe.
DS9’s ‘Trials and Tribulations’ the has the crew travel back in time and interact with the TOS Enterprise and Deep Space Station K7 all of which was ‘correct’ and none of it ‘reimagined’ or ‘updated’.

Topic #4 JJ Abrams and the Kelvin Universe.
With the 2009 movie ‘Star Trek’ JJ Abrams, operating under the Paramount license that requires their Star Trek to be visually different from Prime Star Trek, tried to convince us that this is an alternate timeline, split off from the Prime universe due to catastrophic temporal events.

It’s a good try, but I reject it.

To use a clumsy metaphor, I like chicken wings just fine, but don’t serve me a plate of chicken wings and then look me in the eye and loudly proclaim ‘Here is the steak you ordered sir!’

The JJ Abrams universe is an alternate universe. It might be showing us the events that created a new timeline in that AU, but it’s not the Prime Universe.

Simply put, because they don’t use any prime universe assets, they must be an alternate universe.

The only potential prime universe point of contact is in the presence of Leonard Nemoy reprising his role of Spock. Because this Spock does not seem to think any of the changes in design or technology is odd, he is Spock from the Kelvan AU and not the prime universe Spock.

Topic #5 Star Trek Discovery or STD as it is popularly known.
I’m sticking to my guns on this one. STD is produced under the Paramount license and is visually distinct from Prime. It’s also visually distinct from Kelvan and is therefore yet another AU.

In a callback to my previous arguments in topic 2 & 3 note that while Enterprise, TOS and TNG all looked very different, they did make use of ‘correct’ shared assets. STD does not. The STD Constitution class is visually distinct from the classic (prime) starship.

The closest STD comes (at this time) to a shared asset is the contact with the Mirror Universe. I’d like it to be part of the prime mirror universe, but the addition of the ‘mirror humans are more sensitive to light’ and the continuity of STD ship designs make the mirror universe in STD the STD mirror and not the prime mirror.

Topic #6 Parallel Universes and the Probability of a Positive Outcome.
All this talk of the multiverse got me thinking about how the AUs may be ordered.

You have the prime universe, it favors generally positive outcomes. The transporter works, Kirk beams off the USS Constellation at the last moment, the Doomsday machine is destroyed and the Rigel colonies are saved.

You have the prime mirror universe, if favors generally negative outcomes. Spock assassinates Kirk and tries to seize control of the Terran Empire in an attempt at reform. The attempt fails, the empire collapses and the Cardassian Klingon alliance is formed. They conquer Terran Space and humanity is enslaved.

Then you have parallel universes that are on different places on the probability curve.

In the Kelvan universe, Spock fails to save Romulas, Enterprise fails to save Vulcan but does save Earth.

In the STD universe, Burnham fails to avert the war with the Klingons but does save the Klingon homeworld from destruction and saves Earth from bombardment.

It’s a bit early to say for sure but I think Prime has the highest probability of positive outcome. Followed by STD with Kelvan the most removed from prime. IE the ‘darkest’

On the negative side, I expect that the prime mirror has the highest probability of a negative outcome and the STD mirror has a slightly lower probability of a negative outcome.

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Like I have been saying for months, we will see the tradional Klingons in the new season. Here's a good article on what will happen with the Klingons


Look For ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Season 2, Hints At Hair

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(Photo: CBS)

| AUGUST 6, 2018 | BY: ANTHONY PASCALE 87 COMMENTS SO FAR

On Sunday at Star Trek Las Vegas, Star Trek: Discovery makeup designer and lifelong Star Trek fan Glenn Hetrick held a short panel mostly about the process he and his team went through in the show’s first season, with much of the conversation about creating the look for the Klingons. His talk was accompanied by a slideshow of images of work from the first season, which are mostly taken from a gallery on his AlchemyFX website.

Hetrick also talked about the Klingons in the second season of Discovery, promisingna new look. He dug into some deep stuff about Klingon lore, rituals, and hair. Hetrick’s comments were somewhat cryptic, so we present them with a bit of interpretation and as much context as we can muster in this deep dive into the once and future look of the Klingons.

Klingons are changing, again
Much has been said about the new design of the Klingons for Discovery. Of course, the iconic race has gone through a number of major changes since the original TV series, through to the movies and into the Next Generation era, and again in the J.J. Abrams films. On Discovery, their look was updated once again, with more detail for the HD era.

And according to Glenn Hetrick, there is more change coming. Here is what he told the crowd at STLV:

As we move into season two, it has been while since we have been with our characters. It has been a while since we have seen our Klingon friends. So, everything keeps evolving. The story has evolved. And I can guarantee you this, you are going to be blown away that they have a completely new look, yet again, going into season two.


A season one Klingon from Hetrick’s slideshow

Inspired by TNG’s story of Kahless
Hetrick never directly described what will be new and different about the Klingons for the second season, who have yet to be seen in any released images or videos. However, a hint of what may come could be gleaned from Hetrick’s new backstory behind the biggest controversy around the new Klingon designs in Discovery, which is that they are all hairless. Hetrick spoke at length about what he used as inspiration for their look in season one:

If you really think about season one, and the Klingon story line, we had this incredibly ritualistic season with them. It was really about unification, and igniting the beacon, the Light of Kahless, and bringing him back… so we integrated that very much and thought a lot about that.

Hetrick then pointed to the Star Trek: The Next Generation
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sixth season episode “Rightful Heir,” which featured the return of what was later to be revealed as a clone of Kahless. He pointed out that when this clone was being tested, he was asked how he unified the Empire. Here is how Hetrick describes it:

He did it by cutting off his hair, and dipping it into a volcano and forging the first bat’leth and tempering in the ocean of Qo’noS.


The clone of Kahless is questioned by a priest of Borath in TNG’s “Rightful Heir”

To get a little nitpicky, what the clone of Kahless said was that he cut off a “lock” of his hair to make the first bat’leth, but Hetrick was clearly making a connection to Kahless, unifying the empire, and cutting off hair. And of course, Kahless was important in the first season of Discovery, especially in the two-part opener–he’s mentioned in the first minute of the first episode, held up by T’Kuvma as his inspiration to unite the Klingon houses.


T’Kuvma namedrops Kahless in the first scene of Star Trek: Discovery

Look of Klingon Houses tied to rituals
Hetrick then went on to connect the story of Kahless to how they designed the Klingons for the first season of Discovery with this notion of a hair ritual in mind:

There is this whole thing with hair and ritual and unification that was very much in the forefront of our mind when we designing.

At last year’s STLV, Hetrick was on a panel with creature designer Neville Page and they said that Klingons were bald based on a directive from co-creator and former showrunner Bryan Fuller. During that panel, they also talked about how they developed a logic for it based on sensory organs in their heads, due to them being apex predators. All indications at the time seemed to be that the Klingons were bald by nature. However, Hetrick’s comments indicate that instead, it may have been ritualistic, and limited to just the Klingons we saw during the first season.

Hetrick made a point of saying that we have only seen Klingons from a fraction of the Houses in the Empire so far, and pointed out an example of body modification in season one. During his slideshow he noted that some members of House Mo’Kai undergo ritual scarring.


Member of House Mo’Kai with ritual scars

Another example Hetrick used to show how the different houses show their distinctiveness was House D’Ghor, who adorn their head ridges with jewelry. This was seen on the season one character Dennas.


Dennas of House D’Ghor likes a little forehead bling

Different Houses vary by genetics too
To throw another angle on this, Hetrick said that some of the houses actually have genetic differences. He pointed out that a Klingon from the first season from House Antaak had a “cranial ridge extension that goes down on to his chin.” Hetrick added, “Only that house has that genetic signature. Their chins have ridges too.”

And if you want to go further down the rabbit hole, Antaak was the doctor from Star Trek: Enterprise who inadvertently created ridgeless Klingons through genetic engineering, and was last seen as a victim of his own science.


Klingon from House Antaak with a chin ridge

Are Discovery Klingons really all that different?
Hetrick indicated that some of the changes coming are because there are still more Houses to reveal:

In season two, you are going to see much different designs. You are going to see different houses you haven’t seen before. One of the most important things to us was that at this point in canon, as we head towards the current version of unification, the houses really each grow up on different planets. It is an Empire, it is not just Qo’noS… We have seen six of the great houses in close up in season one. As we move forward into the next season, I promise that we will continue exploring and unpacking and unfolding that infinitely interesting story of what the Klingon culture looks like on a wider level.

Hetrick continued to push the point that what we saw in the first season is not the end of the story in terms of the look of the Klingons. During the Q&A a fan began a question by stating, “The Klingons are completely different,” and Hetrick cut her off, with: “But are they? We are not in season two yet.”

Putting it all together, Hetrick seems to be saying that in season two, the Klingons we see may not be as different as the ones we are used to. It’s possible that hair removal was a ritual, practiced by some of the Houses, or possibly a genetic trait that varies by House.

Regardless, Hetrick seems to be asking for patience, promising there is more to come.

 
I've mentioned I'm a member of an email chain with several super hardcore Star Trek fans, and I've shared their offerings in the past. I have another. It will interest almost none of you, but I'm sure a couple of you will find it valuable.

Yes I know some of you don’t give a rat’s ass about continuity, consistency, internal logic or scientific accuracy.​

In my rant, I’m not going to address scientific accuracy…
JJ ABrams is an illiterate drooling moron
... but I’ll just stick to the relationships between the competing Star Trek franchises.


Topic #1 The Real World and its effect on Star Trek.
For a time Viacom owned both CBS and Paramount. In the break up of Viacom, CBS retained the rights to Star Trek TV shows and control of all TV and Movie based Star Trek properties. Paramount retained rights to make Star Trek Movies for theatrical release.

CBS owns TOS and all Star Trek up to Star Trek Nemesis (2002) and Star Trek Enterprise (2001-2005).

Paramount is allowed to make Star Trek movies but cannot use the properties controlled by CBS without their consent. In other words, Paramount produced Star Trek is contractually obligated to be visually different from existing “Prime” Star Trek.

Topic #2 Star Trek Enterprise and the Prime Universe.
STE takes place in the Prime Universe and is overall very consistent with sticking to canon. The first three seasons (the Xindi War) take place during a Temporal Cold War that resolved itself at the start of the fourth season. It’s stated explicitly that many timelines were rewriting themselves and other timelines were being erased. I think this means many of the really odd or questionable events in seasons one, two and three may be considered ‘alternate timeline events’ but everything in season four is firmly in canon.

In particular I’d like to call attention to the season 4 ‘Mirror Darkly’ episode that has a TOS Constitution class cruiser (USS Defiant) fall through a dimensional rift from the TOS episode ‘The Tholian Web’ to 200 years in the past and arrive in the Mirror Universe which is also part of TOS. In the episode the Constitution class ship was correct in appearance, color and internal design. In short it was ‘Right’.

Topic #3 TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager and the Prime Movies.
No a lot to say here. It’s all Prime and it’s all canon.
The most notable episodes include
TNG’s Pilot episode with McCoy.
TNG episodes with Sarek and Spock
TNG episode ‘Relics’ with Scotty and a ‘correct’ Enterprise bridge.
DS9’s episodes that fill in events in the Mirror Universe.
DS9’s ‘Trials and Tribulations’ the has the crew travel back in time and interact with the TOS Enterprise and Deep Space Station K7 all of which was ‘correct’ and none of it ‘reimagined’ or ‘updated’.

Topic #4 JJ Abrams and the Kelvin Universe.
With the 2009 movie ‘Star Trek’ JJ Abrams, operating under the Paramount license that requires their Star Trek to be visually different from Prime Star Trek, tried to convince us that this is an alternate timeline, split off from the Prime universe due to catastrophic temporal events.

It’s a good try, but I reject it.

To use a clumsy metaphor, I like chicken wings just fine, but don’t serve me a plate of chicken wings and then look me in the eye and loudly proclaim ‘Here is the steak you ordered sir!’

The JJ Abrams universe is an alternate universe. It might be showing us the events that created a new timeline in that AU, but it’s not the Prime Universe.

Simply put, because they don’t use any prime universe assets, they must be an alternate universe.

The only potential prime universe point of contact is in the presence of Leonard Nemoy reprising his role of Spock. Because this Spock does not seem to think any of the changes in design or technology is odd, he is Spock from the Kelvan AU and not the prime universe Spock.

Topic #5 Star Trek Discovery or STD as it is popularly known.
I’m sticking to my guns on this one. STD is produced under the Paramount license and is visually distinct from Prime. It’s also visually distinct from Kelvan and is therefore yet another AU.

In a callback to my previous arguments in topic 2 & 3 note that while Enterprise, TOS and TNG all looked very different, they did make use of ‘correct’ shared assets. STD does not. The STD Constitution class is visually distinct from the classic (prime) starship.

The closest STD comes (at this time) to a shared asset is the contact with the Mirror Universe. I’d like it to be part of the prime mirror universe, but the addition of the ‘mirror humans are more sensitive to light’ and the continuity of STD ship designs make the mirror universe in STD the STD mirror and not the prime mirror.

Topic #6 Parallel Universes and the Probability of a Positive Outcome.
All this talk of the multiverse got me thinking about how the AUs may be ordered.

You have the prime universe, it favors generally positive outcomes. The transporter works, Kirk beams off the USS Constellation at the last moment, the Doomsday machine is destroyed and the Rigel colonies are saved.

You have the prime mirror universe, if favors generally negative outcomes. Spock assassinates Kirk and tries to seize control of the Terran Empire in an attempt at reform. The attempt fails, the empire collapses and the Cardassian Klingon alliance is formed. They conquer Terran Space and humanity is enslaved.

Then you have parallel universes that are on different places on the probability curve.

In the Kelvan universe, Spock fails to save Romulas, Enterprise fails to save Vulcan but does save Earth.

In the STD universe, Burnham fails to avert the war with the Klingons but does save the Klingon homeworld from destruction and saves Earth from bombardment.

It’s a bit early to say for sure but I think Prime has the highest probability of positive outcome. Followed by STD with Kelvan the most removed from prime. IE the ‘darkest’

On the negative side, I expect that the prime mirror has the highest probability of a negative outcome and the STD mirror has a slightly lower probability of a negative outcome.

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I read it all with great interest
 
Like I have been saying for months, we will see the tradional Klingons in the new season. Here's a good article on what will happen with the Klingons


Look For ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Season 2, Hints At Hair

stlv18-glenn-head.jpg
(Photo: CBS)

| AUGUST 6, 2018 | BY: ANTHONY PASCALE 87 COMMENTS SO FAR

On Sunday at Star Trek Las Vegas, Star Trek: Discovery makeup designer and lifelong Star Trek fan Glenn Hetrick held a short panel mostly about the process he and his team went through in the show’s first season, with much of the conversation about creating the look for the Klingons. His talk was accompanied by a slideshow of images of work from the first season, which are mostly taken from a gallery on his AlchemyFX website.

Hetrick also talked about the Klingons in the second season of Discovery, promisingna new look. He dug into some deep stuff about Klingon lore, rituals, and hair. Hetrick’s comments were somewhat cryptic, so we present them with a bit of interpretation and as much context as we can muster in this deep dive into the once and future look of the Klingons.

Klingons are changing, again
Much has been said about the new design of the Klingons for Discovery. Of course, the iconic race has gone through a number of major changes since the original TV series, through to the movies and into the Next Generation era, and again in the J.J. Abrams films. On Discovery, their look was updated once again, with more detail for the HD era.

And according to Glenn Hetrick, there is more change coming. Here is what he told the crowd at STLV:

As we move into season two, it has been while since we have been with our characters. It has been a while since we have seen our Klingon friends. So, everything keeps evolving. The story has evolved. And I can guarantee you this, you are going to be blown away that they have a completely new look, yet again, going into season two.


A season one Klingon from Hetrick’s slideshow

Inspired by TNG’s story of Kahless
Hetrick never directly described what will be new and different about the Klingons for the second season, who have yet to be seen in any released images or videos. However, a hint of what may come could be gleaned from Hetrick’s new backstory behind the biggest controversy around the new Klingon designs in Discovery, which is that they are all hairless. Hetrick spoke at length about what he used as inspiration for their look in season one:

If you really think about season one, and the Klingon story line, we had this incredibly ritualistic season with them. It was really about unification, and igniting the beacon, the Light of Kahless, and bringing him back… so we integrated that very much and thought a lot about that.

Hetrick then pointed to the Star Trek: The Next Generation
ir
sixth season episode “Rightful Heir,” which featured the return of what was later to be revealed as a clone of Kahless. He pointed out that when this clone was being tested, he was asked how he unified the Empire. Here is how Hetrick describes it:

He did it by cutting off his hair, and dipping it into a volcano and forging the first bat’leth and tempering in the ocean of Qo’noS.


The clone of Kahless is questioned by a priest of Borath in TNG’s “Rightful Heir”

To get a little nitpicky, what the clone of Kahless said was that he cut off a “lock” of his hair to make the first bat’leth, but Hetrick was clearly making a connection to Kahless, unifying the empire, and cutting off hair. And of course, Kahless was important in the first season of Discovery, especially in the two-part opener–he’s mentioned in the first minute of the first episode, held up by T’Kuvma as his inspiration to unite the Klingon houses.


T’Kuvma namedrops Kahless in the first scene of Star Trek: Discovery

Look of Klingon Houses tied to rituals
Hetrick then went on to connect the story of Kahless to how they designed the Klingons for the first season of Discovery with this notion of a hair ritual in mind:

There is this whole thing with hair and ritual and unification that was very much in the forefront of our mind when we designing.

At last year’s STLV, Hetrick was on a panel with creature designer Neville Page and they said that Klingons were bald based on a directive from co-creator and former showrunner Bryan Fuller. During that panel, they also talked about how they developed a logic for it based on sensory organs in their heads, due to them being apex predators. All indications at the time seemed to be that the Klingons were bald by nature. However, Hetrick’s comments indicate that instead, it may have been ritualistic, and limited to just the Klingons we saw during the first season.

Hetrick made a point of saying that we have only seen Klingons from a fraction of the Houses in the Empire so far, and pointed out an example of body modification in season one. During his slideshow he noted that some members of House Mo’Kai undergo ritual scarring.


Member of House Mo’Kai with ritual scars

Another example Hetrick used to show how the different houses show their distinctiveness was House D’Ghor, who adorn their head ridges with jewelry. This was seen on the season one character Dennas.


Dennas of House D’Ghor likes a little forehead bling

Different Houses vary by genetics too
To throw another angle on this, Hetrick said that some of the houses actually have genetic differences. He pointed out that a Klingon from the first season from House Antaak had a “cranial ridge extension that goes down on to his chin.” Hetrick added, “Only that house has that genetic signature. Their chins have ridges too.”

And if you want to go further down the rabbit hole, Antaak was the doctor from Star Trek: Enterprise who inadvertently created ridgeless Klingons through genetic engineering, and was last seen as a victim of his own science.


Klingon from House Antaak with a chin ridge

Are Discovery Klingons really all that different?
Hetrick indicated that some of the changes coming are because there are still more Houses to reveal:

In season two, you are going to see much different designs. You are going to see different houses you haven’t seen before. One of the most important things to us was that at this point in canon, as we head towards the current version of unification, the houses really each grow up on different planets. It is an Empire, it is not just Qo’noS… We have seen six of the great houses in close up in season one. As we move forward into the next season, I promise that we will continue exploring and unpacking and unfolding that infinitely interesting story of what the Klingon culture looks like on a wider level.

Hetrick continued to push the point that what we saw in the first season is not the end of the story in terms of the look of the Klingons. During the Q&A a fan began a question by stating, “The Klingons are completely different,” and Hetrick cut her off, with: “But are they? We are not in season two yet.”

Putting it all together, Hetrick seems to be saying that in season two, the Klingons we see may not be as different as the ones we are used to. It’s possible that hair removal was a ritual, practiced by some of the Houses, or possibly a genetic trait that varies by House.

Regardless, Hetrick seems to be asking for patience, promising there is more to come.


There is no getting around the fact that that douchy looking bastard completely screwed up the Klingons. No matter what he does going forward, he never should have created those things.

And what happened to the "13 great houses?" They are saying now that there are more? I seem to recall getting into a long drawn out discussion with @Loiosh in which he claimed 13 houses was a perfectly reasonable total number of house for an interplanetary empire (even though the feudal Japanese empire had far more than that).
 
If they pull any politcal messaging bullshit or handle Picard in a disrespectful manner like they did with Luke...I'm gonna drive to fucking hollywood and blow it up.

terroristic threat on the internet = bad idea
 
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