The Star Trek Thread, V5.0

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I think in this case the producer's are trying to go back to something that works/is familiar to the audience. I'm not sure how discovery is doing but I think the last I checked in on it, Orville has been doing better.

The smart play here is to bring back Picard, and retell similar TNG like stories that have stronger seasonal arcs. Surround him with mostly new characters but sprinkle in a few old ones as well or have them guest appear regularly.

The wrong play is to stick Picard into this actiony, zero substance/character driven stories like what Discovery tells while writing him in a way that seems unfamiliar or disrespectful of the stories we've already gone through with this character. (as they did with Luke)

Bonus points for referencing past episodes like "The Inner Light" that had a great impact on Picard's character. Give him a flaw like not approving of certain new tech like Bones with transporters and the like. His first run through, his flaw was being uncomfortable around children, and passed demons like the Stargazer or being brash when he was younger. Cap needs a new flaw. But not a flaw that distorts the character.

This really should write itself. Expectations are already there when you chose to bring back a character like Picard. So don't try and pull a Rian Johnson. Respect the character and what's been done in the passed. And respect the benefits inherent with bringing back said character. Don't do either of those things and you risk pissing off half your fanbase and killing your tv show.

I think Stewart very likely to have great nostalgia for the best character he ever portrayed. Picard has a lot of depth and I'm gonna bet Stewart didn't sign on for a dumb action show.
I would imagine he wants to reprise that same weighty role.

 

[Tiny]

I think Stewart very likely to have great nostalgia for the best character he ever portrayed. Picard has a lot of depth and I'm gonna bet Stewart didn't sign on for a dumb action show.
I would imagine he wants to reprise that same weighty role.

Mark Hamill had the same expectations.

Though I do admit there is a big difference between Hamill and Sir Patrick Stewart. But producers are stupid. They likely see Stewart as an instant "i win" button. Not respecting anything about what went wrong with Luke Skywalker.

The big lesson here is to learn from the mistakes of TLJ. Be more like Balboa. In how they brought back an older Rocky, respected his character and where he came from, and yet write new challenges in his life like Adrian dying.

 

[UFC=Pride]

I'd rather see the return of Riker

 

[Tiny]

I'd rather see the return of Riker

I'd be very surprised if he doesn't come back. Though his character should have long since progressed to his own captaincy. So regular guest appearances?

 

[UFC=Pride]

I'd be very surprised if he doesn't come back. Though his character should have long since progressed to his own captaincy. So regular guest appearances?

I've wanted a Riker lead series since tng went off the air.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I'd rather see the return of Riker

...I think we got plenty of Riker.
He was alright.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I'd be very surprised if he doesn't come back. Though his character should have long since progressed to his own captaincy. So regular guest appearances?

See, this is already going in the wrong direction.
It's one thing to have Picard but to repopulate the cast will feel like ratings begging.

 

[Loiosh]

Agreed. I'm not up on the current Canon, but doesn't S31 operate entirely independently? IIRC, they have no oversight from the rest of Star Fleet. They set their own agenda and carry out their own missions. Thus preserving total Plausible Deniability.

That's a massive understatement.

It's been suggested they actually run Star Fleet.

 

[Tiny]

See, this is already going in the wrong direction.
It's one thing to have Picard but to repopulate the cast will feel like ratings begging.

I think you need call backs. and it would be odd to only have picard from tng. he's likely going to have long standing relationships with all those old players.

Data has to go though. Spiner has aged well beyond the make up. But I do agree the majority of the show should be new and interesting players.

 

[UFC=Pride]

...I think we got plenty of Riker.
He was alright.

I much preferred his character to that of Sisko.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I think you need call backs. and it would be odd to only have picard from tng. he's likely going to have long standing relationships with all those old players.

Data has to go though. Spiner has aged well beyond the make up. But I do agree the majority of the show should be new and interesting players.

But we don't need reference. We don't need "Here's something you know. Remember this?"

Front-loading the thing with cast requirements and fan service plans just saddles the writing with extraneous character moments they're gonna shoehorn in to the detriment of the stories. It rarely turns out well and in fact seems to be the sure sign that a series is floundering.

ST needs a good story with good dialogue and dramatic poise.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I much preferred his character to that of Sisko.

You say that as if it's an apt comparison.

Anyways, I thought Brooks was a much better dramatic actor than Frakes.

 

[UFC=Pride]

You say that as if it's an apt comparison.

Anyways, I thought Brooks was a much better dramatic actor than Frakes.

Both characters in the star trek universe I'd say they can be compared. Sisko was good but severely overrated I don't drink the ds9 is greatest show ever koolaid.

 

[Loiosh]

You say that as if it's an apt comparison.

Anyways, I thought Brooks was a much better dramatic actor than Frakes.

I think they were both pretty bad, but Avery was definitely better than Commander Monotone.

In Avery's defense he wasn't given much good material, and when he was he knocked it out of the park.

 

[UFC=Pride]

I'd say best role for Picard at this point is to be a Starfleet admiral or the like. Not a regular cast member at his age but guest appearances

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I'd say best role for Picard at this point is to be a Starfleet admiral or the like. Not a regular cast member at his age but guest appearances

Yah, I would say Stewart is too old for anything but what you would expect from an elderly Picard.

 

[Benny Viper]

I'd say best role for Picard at this point is to be a Starfleet admiral or the like. Not a regular cast member at his age but guest appearances

But I wanna see him in the captains chair.

 

[Tiny]

But we don't need reference. We don't need "Here's something you know. Remember this?"

Front-loading the thing with cast requirements and fan service plans just saddles the writing with extraneous character moments they're gonna shoehorn in to the detriment of the stories. It rarely turns out well and in fact seems to be the sure sign that a series is floundering.

ST needs a good story with good dialogue and dramatic poise.

It doesnt take much effort to simply have picard playing the flute in his quarters on his down time... its just what hes doing while waiting for thw story to knock on his door.

 

[2DUM2TAP]

Jolene Blalock's fake tits were disgusting. But she was great as an emotionally unstable Vulcan.

Yeah but great ass too....

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Yeah but great ass too....

That's a funny thing, I was just watching and maybe it was a bad angle, but she's Flat-butt McGee.