International The Space, Science, Technology thread: America back in space

[tramendous]

I don't know the answers to those questions man. I'm just trying to explain the world as I see it around me based off of logical deduction.

I agree on the idea of there being a higher power as I am a Muslim but I am just saying that the people who would limit us to this planet and not explore space and go as far as we can have some very peculiar reasons for us to not do those things.

 

[tramendous]

How does a moon base better my future?

This is a great question. The people who studied physics and science hundreds of years ago and made amazing breakthroughs didn't know exactly how the knowledge would be used and further into the future we got things like computers and flight using what they discovered. Out of the Apollo program came a lot of the Earth Science we currently use today to monitor Climate change and meteorology along with technology like GPS and cordless tools. There is a bunch of other useful stuff all you have to do is google benefits of Apollo program. It covers every field from fire fighting to medical equipment.

I don't know exactly what direct benefit would translate from a moon base just as I wouldn't be able to tell you in 1969 what direct benefit the moon landing would have. Just that the amount of science and technology breakthroughs we would need to make it work would change the world. We would know more about everything and smart people would find ways to make that beneficial. Its the way science works. You add stuff to a knowledge bank and then other bright people like engineers manufacturers find ways to make use of it.

Nonetheless here are some I can think of:

- We would be better at predicting the weather, knowing about weather, how the sun directly effects weather.
- We would need much better environmental suits and protection technology so products and buildings would become safer
- We would learn more about how low gravity effects the human body and would need more medical research and technology to combat the effects of it.
- Automation and AI would be further developed as both of those things would be required for a far away moon base.
- You'd see more research and technological developments in fuel efficiency

here is a document on some direct benefits of Apollo Missions

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/80660main_ApolloFS.pdf

 

[HomeCheese]

This is a great question. The people who studied physics and science hundreds of years ago and made amazing breakthroughs didn't know exactly how the knowledge would be used and further into the future we got things like computers and flight using what they discovered. Out of the Apollo program came a lot of the Earth Science we currently use today to monitor Climate change and meteorology along with technology like GPS and cordless tools. There is a bunch of other useful stuff all you have to do is google benefits of Apollo program. It covers every field from fire fighting to medical equipment.

I don't know exactly what direct benefit would translate from a moon base just as I wouldn't be able to tell you in 1969 what direct benefit the moon landing would have. Just that the amount of science and technology breakthroughs we would need to make it work would change the world. We would know more about everything and smart people would find ways to make that beneficial. Its the way science works. You add stuff to a knowledge bank and then other bright people like engineers manufacturers find ways to make use of it.

Nonetheless here are some I can think of:

- We would be better at predicting the weather, knowing about weather, how the sun directly effects weather.
- We would need much better environmental suits and protection technology so products and buildings would become safer
- We would learn more about how low gravity effects the human body and would need more medical research and technology to combat the effects of it.
- Automation and AI would be further developed as both of those things would be required for a far away moon base.
- You'd see more research and technological developments in fuel efficiency

here is a document on some direct benefits of Apollo Missions

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/80660main_ApolloFS.pdf

Again, I find these claims about potential benefit to be dubious. For example, with all the weather satellites and a space station we can observe the shit out of the weather, we don't need a moon base to do this. Build a moon base so we can make buildings safer????? We can understand low gravity plenty on the space station so we don't need a moon base to do this.

I don't see why this should suck tax dollars at the expense of something like healthcare for the poor.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

"Yeah."

We can send Mark Hunt...

 

[tramendous]

Again, I find these claims about potential benefit to be dubious. For example, with all the weather satellites and a space station we can observe the shit out of the weather, we don't need a moon base to do this. Build a moon base so we can make buildings safer????? We can understand low gravity plenty on the space station so we don't need a moon base to do this.

I don't see why this should suck tax dollars at the expense of something like healthcare for the poor.

I posted some links earlier with like 180 reasons why a moon base would be useful. There are levels to everything. You can do lots of research into climate with the space station but you would be able to do more on the moon. Here are a some:

"Conduct sky surveys from the lunar surface to detect NEOs [near earth objects], determine their orbits, assess their physical characteristics, and evaluate the potential hazard to Earth and the Moon."

"Collect simultaneous observations of the earthshine (photometry and spectra), particle flux, and solar irradiance covering the electromagnetic and charged particle spectrum. The earthshine gives an instantaneous measure of the Earth's reflectance, and over a month, the total reflectance (Bond albedo) of Earth can be measured. The irradiance plus Bond albedo gives the net sunlight reaching Earth, and sun-directed hardware gives a broad spectrum of near-Earth measurements of solar activity."

"Monitor variability of solar energy output for century to millennium time scales in borehole with temperature string."

"Assess flow velocity of major ice bodies (Greenland, Antarctica) with Interferometric Synthetic Aperture Radar (InSAR). Monitor sea ice extent and concentration in the polar regions."

"Perform multispectral thermal infrared observations (2 - 14 microns) of the whole Earth disc with lunar-based sensors. These observation are not dependent on local "day/night" conditions. With 1km/pixel spatial resolution, observations could provide near instananeous detection and monitoring of volcanic eruptions and fires."

"Perform continuous monitoring of lightning of the Earth disk presented to the Moon. Use this data to develop a complete lightning climatology, i.e. an understanding of lightning as a function of time of day, season, and location."

"This research aims to understand the longterm effects of the lunar environment on materials. Unique aspects of the lunar environment to be studied include fractional gravity, radiation bombardment, thermal cycling, and dust. Understand the individual as well as cumulative effects of each of these variables, such that results can be extrapolated to the Mars case."

"Use the lunar environment, specifically 1/6 g and ultra-high vacuum, to develop new types of materials foruse in space or on Earth. Investigate the use of lunar resources in materials processing."



Click the link for 172 more.

https://www.businessinsider.com/180...12-1#discover-threats-to-the-earth-and-moon-8

the full pdf which provides more details such as value here

https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/163560main_LunarExplorationObjectives.pdf

 

[HomeCheese]

I posted some links earlier with like 180 reasons why a moon base would be useful. There are levels to everything. You can do lots of research into climate with the space station but you would be able to do more on the moon. Here are a some:

"Conduct sky surveys from the lunar surface to detect NEOs [near earth objects], determine their orbits, assess their physical characteristics, and evaluate the potential hazard to Earth and the Moon."

"Collect simultaneous observations of the earthshine (photometry and spectra), particle flux, and solar irradiance covering the electromagnetic and charged particle spectrum. The earthshine gives an instantaneous measure of the Earth's reflectance, and over a month, the total reflectance (Bond albedo) of Earth can be measured. The irradiance plus Bond albedo gives the net sunlight reaching Earth, and sun-directed hardware gives a broad spectrum of near-Earth measurements of solar activity."

"Monitor variability of solar energy output for century to millennium time scales in borehole with temperature string."

"Assess flow velocity of major ice bodies (Greenland, Antarctica) with Interferometric Synthetic Aperture Radar (InSAR). Monitor sea ice extent and concentration in the polar regions."

"Perform multispectral thermal infrared observations (2 - 14 microns) of the whole Earth disc with lunar-based sensors. These observation are not dependent on local "day/night" conditions. With 1km/pixel spatial resolution, observations could provide near instananeous detection and monitoring of volcanic eruptions and fires."

"Perform continuous monitoring of lightning of the Earth disk presented to the Moon. Use this data to develop a complete lightning climatology, i.e. an understanding of lightning as a function of time of day, season, and location."

"This research aims to understand the longterm effects of the lunar environment on materials. Unique aspects of the lunar environment to be studied include fractional gravity, radiation bombardment, thermal cycling, and dust. Understand the individual as well as cumulative effects of each of these variables, such that results can be extrapolated to the Mars case."

"Use the lunar environment, specifically 1/6 g and ultra-high vacuum, to develop new types of materials foruse in space or on Earth. Investigate the use of lunar resources in materials processing."



Click the link for 172 more.

https://www.businessinsider.com/180...12-1#discover-threats-to-the-earth-and-moon-8

the full pdf which provides more details such as value here

https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/163560main_LunarExplorationObjectives.pdf

Rather than me just pick these "reasons" apart one by one I'll just say that many of these are preposterous. This is just another way to separate taxpayers from their money.

For example:

"Perform continuous monitoring of lightning of the Earth disk presented to the Moon. Use this data to develop a complete lightning climatology, i.e. an understanding of lightning as a function of time of day, season, and location."
--There are over 1,000 functioning satellites orbiting earth with many of them focused on the weather, we can already monitor the shit out of the weather and lightening.

"Monitor variability of solar energy output for century to millennium time scales in borehole with temperature string."
--Why do you need a base to monitor anything? If this is so important just send an unmanned craft.

 

[tramendous]

Rather than me just pick these "reasons" apart one by one I'll just say that many of these are preposterous. This is just another way to separate taxpayers from their money.

For example:

"Perform continuous monitoring of lightning of the Earth disk presented to the Moon. Use this data to develop a complete lightning climatology, i.e. an understanding of lightning as a function of time of day, season, and location."
--There are over 1,000 functioning satellites orbiting earth with many of them focused on the weather, we can already monitor the shit out of the weather and lightening.

"Monitor variability of solar energy output for century to millennium time scales in borehole with temperature string."
--Why do you need a base to monitor anything? If this is so important just send an unmanned craft.

I think you are being willfully ignorant and arrogant about it at this point. we do not use all those "1000 satellites" for monitoring weather and they are all extremely close to the earth compared to the moon. I am not sure why you think satellites are the end all be all to all science and that you arrogantly think you can go through all 180 reasons proposed by actual scientists who were the same people arguing with idiots like you that maybe we should have satellites and space stations in the first place. Once we get the moon base you'll do the same with the moon base that you do with satellites to sabotage attempts to explore further.

 

[HomeCheese]

I think you are being willfully ignorant and arrogant about it at this point. we do not use all those "1000 satellites" for monitoring weather and they are all extremely close to the earth compared to the moon. I am not sure why you think satellites are the end all be all to all science and that you arrogantly think you can go through all 180 reasons proposed by actual scientists who were the same people arguing with idiots like you that maybe we should have satellites and space stations in the first place. Once we get the moon base you'll do the same with the moon base that you do with satellites to sabotage attempts to explore further.

You ideas are flimsy and you know if. I am all for science and exploration but there seems way too many more pressing issues for our dollars. If our budget was balanced or the deficit was getting smaller then maybe but unfortunately it the other way around. We don't have the money for this.

To me, y'all seem like a bunch of pie in the sky idiots chasing around their favorite SIFI book.

 

[tramendous]

You ideas are flimsy and you know if. I am all for science and exploration but there seems way too many more pressing issues for our dollars. If our budget was balanced or the deficit was getting smaller then maybe but unfortunately it the other way around. We don't have the money for this.

To me, y'all seem like a bunch of pie in the sky idiots chasing around their favorite SIFI book.

quite the opposite actually.

 

[superpunch]

You ideas are flimsy and you know if. I am all for science and exploration but there seems way too many more pressing issues for our dollars. If our budget was balanced or the deficit was getting smaller then maybe but unfortunately it the other way around. We don't have the money for this.

To me, y'all seem like a bunch of pie in the sky idiots chasing around their favorite SIFI book.

Other countries spend 8.5% of their GDP on healthcare. We spend 20%. Fix healthcare and we'll have $3 trillion a year to throw at big science projects. It'll never happen but it could.

 

[Danger Dave]

If they found alien life even if it was a little plant they would never tell anyone. For the national interest of course.

 

[Fawlty]

Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse

Betelgeuse is dimming in an odd way. Could be supernova coming, but probably not.

https://www.livescience.com/will-betelgeuse-star-explode.html

 

[Bald1]

How old are you? I'm not insulting you, I'm just curious if we're the same age. If we are, you should remember the direction and speed at which society was moving before broadband. There was a very small period of time where 56k modems were nifty and people said "I got mail lol" and then everything blew up, and the trajectory changed.

There's no doubt that FTL travel is a bit of a holy grail and that at this particular juncture it is only a theoretical possibility, but the guy you're arguing with has an irrefutable point:

We cannot accurately make predictions about what we will be able to do based on current capabilities because current capabilities are changing and they are changing more rapidly.

Agreed. I'll just leave this here. We just don't know exactly what we'll know in even a few days. And hell, things have been "blowing up" since the invention of the printing press. Well, relatively speaking depending on the time period.

https://www.industrytap.com/knowledge-doubling-every-12-months-soon-to-be-every-12-hours/3950

Keep in mind that's an old article.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Interesting story on evolution.

https://www.livescience.com/amp/yeast-reveals-new-mode-of-evolution.html

 

[JDragon]

https://www.space.com/voyager-2-resumes-science-operations.html

 

[JDragon]

ttt I guess

 

[ShinkanPo]

Puta no likes?

Lol my friend is a nasty woman she told me that the drogon exploted.
Fucking bs.

 

[Andy Capp]

Yo:
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/american-shuttle-launch-in-5-minutes.4111310/