Movies The Shining

[HUGHPHUG]

The section were it gets close to the car must have been so hair raising helicopter flying.

I know man, it's RIGHT behind the car for a couple of seconds
Thank fuck no one came hurtling around that bend

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I know man, it's RIGHT behind the car for a couple of seconds
Thank fuck no one came hurtling around that bend

The road was almost certainly closed but I'm guessing that shot might not have been attempted after the Twilight Zone deaths.

The opening does I think highlight one of the films biggest influences as well, the way the soundtrack becomes almost ambient noise, those almost animal screches at the start or the heartbeat in room 237.

Sound generally I think becomes a lot of the why the film is scary, something like Danny's bike shifting between the loud wooden sections and the soft carpeting really builds up the tension.

 

[Fug]

Just rewatched for the first time in a few years and it was better than I remember. Quiet house with the sound up improves the experience.

I had no idea that the indoor scenes were all filmed near London.



Crazy how good the music is and how it syncs up harmoniously to continually build up the suspense without feeling dull or repetitive.

I didn't know much about Kubrick before, but apparently Jack Nicholson had to axe over 60 doors before he was satisfied with the scene. Also, they did the scene 168 times when the old black man Halloran explains the shining to Danny.

Edit: Kubrick explains why it sometimes took a lot of takes..



This trailer encapsulates the film nicely. Potent.

 

[Prefect]

The cinematography is top notch but Kubrick screwed up the story by making it seem like Jack was nuts before ever going to the hotel. What I remember from the book was that he accidently broke Danny's arm over something while drinking but wasn't really nuts but on the verge of being a full blown alcoholic.

 

[mozfonky]

Cant go wrong with Kubrick. He plants seeds deep. There's a lot going on aside from a haunted mansion

of course, a lot of things that touch on american culture usually do. The Great Gatsby, chinatown, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, many, many all have these odd, peripheral references to race and that has to be of course some sort of statement the creator intended to reference to america's history.

I think there was some Mention of Indians in The Shining of some kind wasn't there? At any rate, Stephen King hated it for whatever reason.

 

[mozfonky]

I mean it is larger than life acting but I think it suits the story very well, having that element of joyful dark comedy to things makes the film scarier. Shelley Duvall I think works very well to, sells the idea that Jack was an abusive bastard long before the film starts whio's been undermining her for years.

I suspect thats the big reason King disliked Kubricks film, the latter didnt like the idea that supernatural ghosts were to blame for everything, in his film they just give Jack a little push and theres a question as to how much is just going on in his head.

poor shelley, along with Margot Kidder, two actresses who lost their minds. Wonder if the Hollywood BS had anything to do with it.

 

[TheTickG]

I usually kick off Christmas season with this film. Sure, there's that whole crazy murdering aspect of the story. But, the beautiful scenery and atmosphere creates a lovely wintery vibe.

 

[Prefect]

of course, a lot of things that touch on american culture usually do. The Great Gatsby, chinatown, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, many, many all have these odd, peripheral references to race and that has to be of course some sort of statement the creator intended to reference to america's history.

I think there was some Mention of Indians in The Shining of some kind wasn't there? At any rate, Stephen King hated it for whatever reason.

Once Upon A Time In Hollywood should not be referenced with anything else. It is kind of a masturbatory movie by Tarantino. The script needed an editor even more than the Hateful 8.

 

[mozfonky]

Once Upon A Time In Hollywood should not be referenced with anything else. It is kind of a masturbatory movie by Tarantino. The script needed an editor even more than the Hateful 8.

I loved it, absolutely loved it but that's besides the point, we could merely sub a lot of other movies in there. Once Upon A time in America has the lowly Chinese catering to their opium addict, Natural Born Killers has Indians whooping at Mickey and Mallorie on the highway and the medicine man, The Doors has the Indian dying on a road at the beginning that does something to young Morrison. The point is, all those movies and more have this odd peripheral subject to the sides that really have nothing to do with the rest of the movie. In my mind, it parallels the position of the servile races in the psyche of America. Sometimes the Indian makes some sense sometimes the figure whether they are black or mexican make no sense and you have to wonder, "why'd they put that in there?"

In reference to Once Upon a Time In Hollywood, the scene where dicap's character cries, and Pitt says, 'don't cry in front of the Mexicans" which is just bizarre and can be read how a married couple might say, "not in front of the children" either way, it's not flattering and certainly not an equal depiction of the races. In fact, had they said nothing, the mexicans in the picture would be nearly invisible.

 

[Prefect]

I loved it, absolutely loved it but that's besides the point, we could merely sub a lot of other movies in there. Once Upon A time in America has the lowly Chinese catering to their opium addict, Natural Born Killers has Indians whooping at Mickey and Mallorie on the highway and the medicine man, The Doors has the Indian dying on a road at the beginning that does something to young Morrison. The point is, all those movies and more have this odd peripheral subject to the sides that really have nothing to do with the rest of the movie. In my mind, it parallels the position of the servile races in the psyche of America. Sometimes the Indian makes some sense sometimes the figure whether they are black or mexican make no sense and you have to wonder, "why'd they put that in there?"

In reference to Once Upon a Time In Hollywood, the scene where dicap's character cries, and Pitt says, 'don't cry in front of the Mexicans" which is just bizarre and can be read how a married couple might say, "not in front of the children" either way, it's not flattering and certainly not an equal depiction of the races. In fact, had they said nothing, the mexicans in the picture would be nearly invisible.

You don't cry in front of Mexican as latin culture is about machismo.

 

[BFoe]

of course, a lot of things that touch on american culture usually do. The Great Gatsby, chinatown, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, many, many all have these odd, peripheral references to race and that has to be of course some sort of statement the creator intended to reference to america's history.

I think there was some Mention of Indians in The Shining of some kind wasn't there? At any rate, Stephen King hated it for whatever reason.

Lots of mentions of Native Americans. The Overlook is built on an “Indian burial ground,” there are rugs on the walls that I think Ullman describes as having “Navajo and Apache motifs,” we see Hallorann framed against a can of Calumet (calumet being a ceremonial Native American pipe) and we even see Wendy dressed in Native American style clothing.

 

[LEWIS540]

Remember reading that beautiful overhead tracking shot in the opening took 100s of hours of manpower and expertise.

Fast forward 40 years that shot has almost become a cliche and can be done in an afternoon by any fool with a drone and an iPhone.

 

[mozfonky]

You don't cry in front of Mexican as latin culture is about machismo.

What would two white guys know about that, and it's not just that scene, it's the scenes with the mexicans on the movie set who only stand to the side and watch, a mexican father with a violin playing daughters asks the character not to hurt the girl, also the other character opposite Dicap's is half mexican, none of that stuff adds or detracts from the body of the story so it's just "why is it there" and the answer is because these people of america's past do indeed occupy the caucasian mind, even if only peripherally. Oh ya, and that's not to mention the fucked up mexican accent dicaprio uses to tape his dialogue and remember his lines, sounded like speedy gonzalez.

 

[mozfonky]

Lots of mentions of Native Americans. The Overlook is built on an “Indian burial ground,” there are rugs on the walls that I think Ullman describes as having “Navajo and Apache motifs,” we see Hallorann framed against a can of Calumet (calumet being a ceremonial Native American pipe) and we even see Wendy dressed in Native American style clothing.

ya, I have to watch the movie again, the "burial grounds" thing has been a theme in other movies like Amityville Horror where some silly story that a chief was buried with his horse right there on the property in a past era.

In the shining there is also the weird scene with the bear and the man doing something that looked like some weird sex act, i've seen it speculated that it was some comment on Russia, but who's to know, the artsy fartsy thing isn't any good when people make mental gibberish of the image.

 

[mozfonky]

Remember reading that beautiful overhead tracking shot in the opening took 100s of hours of manpower and expertise.

Fast forward 40 years that shot has almost become a cliche and can be done in an afternoon by any fool with a drone and an iPhone.

kinda sad in a way, hacks can do things a lot of money, vision and equipement/work used to require. As a musician it's discouraging, any nitwit who got the idea into their heads of being a star can put together something that's at least listenable.

 

[BFoe]

ya, I have to watch the movie again, the "burial grounds" thing has been a theme in other movies like Amityville Horror where some silly story that a chief was buried with his horse right there on the property in a past era.

In the shining there is also the weird scene with the bear and the man doing something that looked like some weird sex act, i've seen it speculated that it was some comment on Russia, but who's to know, the artsy fartsy thing isn't any good when people make mental gibberish of the image.

I’ve never heard the Russia angle. My personal belief is that bears signify victims or victimhood in the film, and we see Danny framed in certain scenes with bears. I think Wendy seeing the bear blowing the dude is a metaphor for her realizing that Jack’s abuse of Danny isn’t just physical, but is sexual abuse too. There are other hinges in the film that hint towards this as well.

 

[mozfonky]

I’ve never heard the Russia angle. My personal belief is that bears signify victims or victimhood in the film, and we see Danny framed in certain scenes with bears. I think Wendy seeing the bear blowing the dude is a metaphor for her realizing that Jack’s abuse of Danny isn’t just physical, but is sexual abuse too. There are other hinges in the film that hint towards this as well.

the theory i heard was that the entire hotel was a metaphor for america. That's the problem with the obtuse shit, it can be interpreted like an ink blotch and who knows what, if anything, the creators intended.

 

[Thai Domi]

Does the haunting or whatever in the hotel have anything to do with Danny's ability, or is it just a coincidence?

 

[BFoe]

Does the haunting or whatever in the hotel have anything to do with Danny's ability, or is it just a coincidence?

I think we could also ask, “is the hotel even haunted, and does anyone in this movie actually ‘shine’?”

 

[Deaths Head]

I have a personal pic of the real twin sisters ,I m related to them I’ll post it if I can find it .