The Russian Propaganda Campaign

[Happy Man]

Dead serious, instead of bitching about trump 24/7, the left should brush up on their Russian, fire up their social media, and do some Russian shitposting.

They’re not immune to the west’s influence on their youth.

We already do that. As does Israel with the JIDF. But we even go further. America actually funds straight up political activists on the streets in other nations to affect their elections. And Russia sends dank memes and we can't stand it lol. Sorry the left can't stand it

 

[HomerThompson]

This article is a must read for everyone serious about understanding how Russia could've impacted the election in a big way. It's a breakdown of the beginnings of psychometrics, and Cambridge Analytica. It's from a little over a year ago, and it's what solidified my position, and in my opinion, my understanding of the Russian influence on our election/the collusion with Trump and his campaign.

https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/the-data-that-turned-the-world-upside-down/

 

[foxnoob]

Not really. The bulletin boards weren't like that. No video and ascii images are limited for a start.

Low hanging fruit, obviously there was nothing but BBS and Compuserve in 85. Quoting trolls feeds them.

 

[HomerThompson]

Kids on the internet have used these tactics every day since 1985. They're really sophisticated if youre a rube.

My pleasure.

If you fall for stuff like this your vote shouldnt matter regardless.

3 posts without any substance to add to the discussion. Just go to the OT if you want to troll. It's exhausting, man. Just act like a fucking grown up for once.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Anyone who dismisses the Russian social media campaign to interfere with the election as ineffective simultaneously dismisses a $600 billion global advertising industry as ineffective. Laughing at the effectiveness of ad dollars only reveals you've never really understood how or what advertising is or why it works.

Oh here I am saying that if you believe something Trump believers believe, that you must be ignorant. Common thread with these folks, beating a dead horse etc etc etc.

So here is my problem. It is ok for the chamber of commerce to fund these advertising techniques for candidates, but not russians?

Are you aware of how many multi-national corporations with headquarters in foreign countries are members of the chamber of commerce?

 

[foxnoob]

If you fall for stuff like this your vote shouldnt matter regardless.

Sort of like if you believe the Clinton kill list, if you believe the pizza basement ring, if you believe the Uranium one deal, if you believe in Clinton Foundation pay for play, and to the other side, if you believe in the PP tape. Nobody who believes any of these things should vote but alas, they decided to give the vote to non-white non-property owners anyways. Shucks.

 

[foxnoob]

So here is my problem. It is ok for the chamber of commerce to fund these advertising techniques for candidates, but not russians?

Are you aware of how many multi-national corporations with headquarters in foreign countries are members of the chamber of commerce?

Is one illegal and the other legal? So you want to derail the argument into what laws should or shouldn't be on the books then. Start a thread on it and we'll discuss that there.

 

[Trotsky]

I find the naivety of everyone involved that allowed Russia to influence opinion to be the most fascinating part of the propaganda narrative.

For example:

When Putin was Obama's problem, his approval was in the single digits among Conservatives, and since he became a rightful enemy of the left? It is I believe around a shameful 30%.

And what helped to trigger this? The media and the Obama Administration saw the Russian threat as a joke, until slowly turning about when Russia won a few real polotik conflicts with Russia, and then completely when the (already rather authoritarian in manner...) the Donald, ascended to Pennsylvania Ave.


The GOP and many talk radio allies are willing to kiss up to Putin for the Donald when he is in the White House.

The DEMS and many mainstream media allies are willing to be for Russia, before being against Russia, depending.



Russia, acting as a national agent provocateur in what I see as a limited sense, has still reaped a widening of our destructive political divide.

Their slight tremor activated a massive political earthquake terribly fracturing Blue/Red America and willing to have most activists and the politicians in their sway sell off even more of their credibility.

I think, beyond the cultural problems in the country and besides the previously-unrealized extent of our government's reliance on norms, the interference has specifically highlighted how clunky and unwieldy our non-parliamentary government and two-party single member district plurality truly is. This type or even level of partisanship and gridlock was, to some extent that doesn't anticipate the blatant obstructionism and unprincipled gamesmanship of Gingrich and McConnell, always inevitable. Our system, from its preclusion of third parties to its reliance on outdated geographic tailoring, is simply not an optimal government.

However, due to the nature of the beast, it will never amend itself. So, to that I summarize our future as:

 

[VivaRevolution]

Is one illegal and the other legal? So you want to derail the argument into what laws should or shouldn't be on the books then. Start a thread on it and we'll discuss that there.

Who says what Russia did was illegal?

 

[all caps]

3 posts without any substance to add to the discussion. Just go to the OT if you want to troll. It's exhausting, man. Just act like a fucking grown up for once.

Post a smiley about it

 

[HOLA]

Firehose of falsehood.

The experimental psychology literature suggests that, all other things being equal, messages received in greater volume and from more sources will be more persuasive. Quantity does indeed have a quality all its own. High volume can deliver other benefits that are relevant in the Russian propaganda context. First, high volume can consume the attention and other available bandwidth of potential audiences, drowning out competing messages. Second, high volume can overwhelm competing messages in a flood of disagreement. Third, multiple channels increase the chances that target audiences are exposed to the message. Fourth, receiving a message via multiple modes and from multiple sources increases the message’s perceived credibility, especially if a disseminating source is one with which an audience member identifies

It's amazing how they wait a few hours, then all get on the same point. It's not just online. I had on Michael Savage the day of the indictments (the 13). He was bitching about how the FBI failed to stop the shooter because they were obsessed with Trump. Then Trump tweeted the same shit. Then I saw it on Fox News etc.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Anyone dumb enough to fall for that should be considered too dumb to vote.

 

[VivaRevolution]

The experimental psychology literature suggests that, all other things being equal, messages received in greater volume and from more sources will be more persuasive. Quantity does indeed have a quality all its own. High volume can deliver other benefits that are relevant in the Russian propaganda context. First, high volume can consume the attention and other available bandwidth of potential audiences, drowning out competing messages. Second, high volume can overwhelm competing messages in a flood of disagreement. Third, multiple channels increase the chances that target audiences are exposed to the message. Fourth, receiving a message via multiple modes and from multiple sources increases the message’s perceived credibility, especially if a disseminating source is one with which an audience member identifies

It's amazing how they wait a few hours, then all get on the same point. It's not just online. I had on Michael Savage the day of the indictments (the 13). He was bitching about how the FBI failed to stop the shooter because they were obsessed with Trump. Then Trump tweeted the same shit. Then I saw it on Fox News etc.

Isn't it?

And yet I've never seen a news story try and explain the exact mechanism this is achieved by.

 

[foxnoob]

Anyone dumb enough to fall for that should be considered too dumb to vote.

Then you shouldn't feel entitled to vote.

 

[panamaican]

My understanding of the techniques in play make me think less of sophisticated modern technology and more of age old divide and conquer strategies. Britain, Rome, etc. were all empires that maintained control of their empires by skillfully pitting their opponents against each other and taking advantage of the ongoing discord.

Even old siege strategy relied on similar tactics - offer life if the inhabitants surrender vs. death if they chose to fight. The ensuing in-fighting often weakened the defenders overall resolve.

Seeing it applied via social media, bots and targeted demographics is a fascinating window into how human nature remains similarly exploitable no matter how advanced the technology.

 

[HOLA]

Sort of like if you believe the Clinton kill list, if you believe the pizza basement ring, if you believe the Uranium one deal, if you believe in Clinton Foundation pay for play, and to the other side, if you believe in the PP tape. Nobody who believes any of these things should vote but alas, they decided to give the vote to non-white non-property owners anyways. Shucks.

The piss tape has a hell of a lot more going for it than Clinton's crap. it's not just the Steele Dossier.

Later, I used an intermediary to pass some questions to active duty CIA officers dealing with the case file - they would not speak to me directly. I got a message back that there was "more than one tape", "audio and video", on "more than one date", in "more than one place" - in the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow and also in St Petersburg - and that the material was "of a sexual nature".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Then you shouldn't feel entitled to vote.

Unfortunatley, the reality is everyone over the age of 18 can vote.

Even if they lack the ID to prove it.

 

[HomerThompson]

Firehose of falsehood.

Holy Shit!

That's Trump's personal playbook as well(also many "journalists" on the American Far Right).

Via the Rand Corp:

We characterize the contemporary Russian model for propaganda as “the firehose of falsehood” because of two of its distinctive features: high numbers of channels and messages and a shameless willingness to disseminate partial truths or outright fictions. In the words of one observer, “[N]ew Russian propaganda entertains, confuses and overwhelms the audience.”2

Contemporary Russian propaganda has at least two other distinctive features. It is also rapid, continuous, and repetitive, and it lacks commitment to consistency.

 

[HomerThompson]

Distinctive Features of the Contemporary Model for Russian Propaganda:

1. High-volume and multichannel

2. Rapid, continuous, and repetitive

3. Lacks commitment to objective reality

4. Lacks commitment to consistency.

From @Ruprecht's source.

KellyAnne Conway BTFO!!!

 

[panamaican]

Isn't it?

And yet I've never seen a news story try and explain the exact mechanism this is achieved by.

Humans are social animals programmed to follow the herd. In a related note, even things like leadership have a genetic component. So we're inclined to follow certain types of behaviors and respond more strongly to certain presentations of information.