The Road to Wing Chun applied in Combat Sports

[Dexter]

and similar to a lot of russian style boxers:

Petr Yan - typical russian boxing stance used in mma, slightly lower than in boxing.

 

[AndyMaBobs]

Petr Yan - typical russian boxing stance used in mma, slightly lower than in boxing.

God I love Petr Yan.

 

[shincheckin]

I'm really impressed we got this far without Shawn Obasi coming up. Imma wing chung maaaangggg

He's a step above the master as at least the guy was willing to test it rather than fantasize and imagine

 

[shincheckin]

That's where you are wrong. I've never shit on any martial art. My opinions on different styles are not based on me waiting to see what happens in the UFC. Its based on actually training with high level people in those fields.

I've been side kicked by a world champ Tkd guy, I've got many world champion karate friends, I've been to Thailand and spared with some top mauy Thai fighters. I've grappled with judo guys on the GB squad and sparring with a lot of pros in MMA against experienced wrestlers and BJJ guys.

I've got my ass kicked by lots of different styles. I can see the benifit and respect all of them.

I just don't agree with you when it comes to WC. I have trained with some WC guys. They all had 2 things in commen, they were all garbage, and the all thought they was amazing. 1 of them even asked if I wanted him to teach a class at my club, even tho he just got schooled by a few of my beginners.

If what you say becomes true, and we see a few WC guys start dominating MMA (I'm not interested in BK), then I would welcome it, and would feel nothing but joy for you..

But you thinking everyone's opinion is based on them watching the UFC, instead of actually basing it on first hand experience, is one of the many things that make you sound ridiculous

Well said, I thought TKD was lame until I got to spar with a pro mma guy who's base was tkd which he is a black belt in. He's fought on south Africas EFC.

No one has anything against WC but the master perceives this. He bashes proven martial arts in a attempt to "defend " WC. And he attempts to latch on to BK due to the similar stance in a attempt to give WC some credibility. Little does he know someone using that stance today would be ktfo. The more he talks and voices his opinions the more he demonstrates a lack of understanding and knowledge of fighting. I doubt the guy has ever been in a fight at all, be it gloved or BK, ring or street. The more he speaks of BK the more he proves he has never been in a BK fight. He also overestimates fighting on cement. But we must remember WC is too deadly for the ring and there's no evidence of it working in the ring or street where it was designed for because there's no grandmasters left.

 

[shincheckin]

It's the same as muay thai arm positioning, and similar to a lot of russian style boxers:

The reason I don't think it's a good idea to come out fighting in the old school boxing stance, is because you have to factor in your opponent. Even in modern BKB, you're seeing fighters come in and approach it like it's gloved boxing (but ungloved) which means they are going for the head.

The old english boxing stance isn't good for defending the head, because like I mentioned before, the purpose was to defend in a setting where the punch to the body was more favoured. Elements of the old boxing guard are good and the principles are good, it just needs adjusting for what today is a very different sport.

With the use of the cross guard, I think the cross guard is very important and a big thing that I've been working on for the last year (and hopefully the next few) is properly studying it and bringing it back in a way that's useful. The problem I see sometimes with guys trying to use the cross guard is that they sort of just... sit in it. It's not something you sit in, it's something you flow into and then back out of.

Sylvie Ittu + Gene Fullmer both use the lead arm on top, most other guys use the lead arm on the bottom. I think they're best used for different modes. Lead arm on top IMO favours the fighter who is rushing forward to get a clinch or to brawl up close. Lead arm on the bottom favours someone who wants to roll a bit more and fight on the counter.

Jimmy Sweeney from what I've seen will more bounce the arm off his elbow in more of a stone wall/philly shell style similar to Dustin Poirier. That approach has more in common with the newer Mayweather Jr. approach to the philly shell though, than it does the old school style which IMO is closer to cross guard.

It's ever so slightly easier to find variants of the cross arm guard being used in Muay Thai than it is in boxing, it was a big feature of older muay thai, although now it's mostly dracula guard.

Yeah dude is tripping on the crossguard. I made a video about it. The video you posted on dekkers talks about it and sylvie has made videos about it too.

 

[TheMaster]

And he attempts to latch on to BK due to the similar stance in a attempt to give WC some credibility. Little does he know someone using that stance today would be ktfo.

No they wouldn't. The guard could be adjusted for guys who punch to the head more and linked with crab guard, cross guard and good infighting and clinch.

And the similarities with WC are not superificial. The conditioning, the parrying and control from chi sau sensitivity as well as a variety of palm heel attacks from additional angles means a WC BK boxing style could be devastating when taking on board some of these additional elements like flexible cross guard and mobile but rooted footwork.

Just like we can draw on some letrit concepts to enhance to WC elbow game.

This is using WC as a standup base especially for BK, instead of gloved western boxing.

It will take a bit of time to develop it but it can be done. And frankly with the level we have seen in BK so far (at least in US BK) the standard for comparison isn't that hard to achieve and potentially surpass.

Unless someone like Sweeny and maybe some old school Soviets want to take you to school and teach you how to change and adapt to fight BK it will remain an entertaining but fairly low level brawl and blood fest like it is now. Which is maybe what the fans want but that's a different matter.

 

[Woldog]

What I love is how the the topic of WC working brings out all these insecure little bitches who think they have already learned all the Asian martial arts they need to , and now can't deal with the idea there is more to martial arts than what they may know.

Post a picture of yourself. I'd love to see what a scrawny little keyboard warrior you are lmao

 

[TheMaster]

Post a picture of yourself. I'd love to see what a scrawny little keyboard warrior you are lmao

Lol no I'm not scrawny by any means but I'm not a huge guy either.

But yes, the idea of WC working has a tendency to bring out insecurities in people I've noticed.

Prabably because of the association with Bruce Lee, and the fact that MMA is heavily based on Asian martial arts so they still have a certain mystique and this unknown variable is what gets to people I think, so they need to rubbish it in their minds rather than accept there is more than they know.

I dont see what the issue is. I'm not an expert submission grappler I can accept there are alot of submissions I don't know.
It seems some others find it hard to aaccept however that arts like WC have alot to offer, some but not all of which is compatible with ring fighting that is likewise unknown to them but works.

 

[Woldog]

Lol no I'm not scrawny by any means but I'm not a huge guy either.

But yes, the idea of WC working has a tendency to bring out insecurities in people I've noticed.

Prabably because of the association with Bruce Lee, and the fact that MMA is heavily based on Asian martial arts so they still have a certain mystique and this unknown variable is what gets to people I think, so they need to rubbish it in their minds rather than accept there is more than they know.

I dont see what the issue is. I'm not an expert submission grappler I can accept there are alot of submissions I don't know.
It seems some others find it hard to aaccept however that arts like WC have alot to offer, some but not all of which is compatible with ring fighting that is likewise unknown to them but works.

I don't have any issues with WC. I have issues with you discrediting other disciplines simply because you favour WC. You treat BKB like it's an elite sport and boxing like it's a sport for untrained yuppies. Your levels of respect for disciplines some people have spent the majority of their lives training is embarrassing.
You breakdowns of WC so far consist of removing all of WC and using other disciplines yet calling WC the base.

 

[Surferdude1]

Lol no I'm not scrawny by any means but I'm not a huge guy either.

But yes, the idea of WC working has a tendency to bring out insecurities in people I've noticed.

Prabably because of the association with Bruce Lee, and the fact that MMA is heavily based on Asian martial arts so they still have a certain mystique and this unknown variable is what gets to people I think, so they need to rubbish it in their minds rather than accept there is more than they know.

I dont see what the issue is. I'm not an expert submission grappler I can accept there are alot of submissions I don't know.
It seems some others find it hard to aaccept however that arts like WC have alot to offer, some but not all of which is compatible with ring fighting that is likewise unknown to them but works.

We understand so much more today. People underestimated attrition and power over volume punching. If you take a boxing class, not only will your eyes open to how to box correctly, you will also get humbled about your own power.

 

[Woldog]

We understand so much more today. People underestimated attrition and power over volume punching. If you take a boxing class, not only will your eyes open to how to box correctly, you will also get humbled about your own power.

When did you become so wise Spacetime.

 

[Dexter]

When did you become so wise Spacetime.

Seems like "afterlife" helped him a lot <45>.

 

[SandisLL]

I thought you put me on your ignore list already ?
Yet u break your word immediately and come back.
Yes I have made some good threads thanks for reminding me.

Now why not you learn to be a man first and keep your word instead of crawling back like a bitch with more broken sentences?
Now Kindly go back to troll hole.

You will not instruct me how to post here and what to do.

Now, dear, you should have balls.

When you afforded to insult me here first time, I had asked where you are awailable for bouts.
You didn't responded and sadly after approx 1 month I had assumed that you then just got too hot.
I didn't stalked you after this.
I even had deleted my question after approx 1 month as a sign of kindness.

Now you know that here is covid and afford to point on me as a bitch?


You are bum in cubicle that afforded here to call others as noobs<45>, bums and bitches<Lmaoo>.

In short, you are a TROLL with 20 years experience in trolling and insulting ppl.

Yeah, if I will wish to bite you, I will reignore your posts, if no, then I will not read your posts.
That's simple. Lesson.
Now about your talk about tech streets, average labourer on da tech street will turn you into a bitch quickly.

 

[SandisLL]

But you thinking everyone's opinion is based on them watching the UFC, instead of actually basing it on first hand experience, is one of the many things that make you sound ridiculous

Because he is special case and specimen in trolling.

 

[II Muchetto II]

Because he is special case and specimen in trolling.

I'm 50/50, either a really good troll, or sadly a brainwashed man who lives in a fantasy world, who thinks his zero experience of using self defence training in a real situation is better knowledge the the vast amount of experienced coaches and fighters who do it for a living.

Strange how everyone is wrong and he is right

 

[SandisLL]

Strange how everyone is wrong and he is right

That he more than 1? year ago had get some responses in his threads even from pro boxer form U.S nope, It didn't helped. despite profile confirmed etc.
Like for Krotty Stylist was not problem to insult ppl and talk about da real fight.

 

[shincheckin]

No they wouldn't. The guard could be adjusted for guys who punch to the head more and linked with crab guard, cross guard and good infighting and clinch.

And the similarities with WC are not superificial. The conditioning, the parrying and control from chi sau sensitivity as well as a variety of palm heel attacks from additional angles means a WC BK boxing style could be devastating when taking on board some of these additional elements like flexible cross guard and mobile but rooted footwork.

Just like we can draw on some letrit concepts to enhance to WC elbow game.

This is using WC as a standup base especially for BK, instead of gloved western boxing.

It will take a bit of time to develop it but it can be done. And frankly with the level we have seen in BK so far (at least in US BK) the standard for comparison isn't that hard to achieve and potentially surpass.

Unless someone like Mcsweeny and maybe some old school Soviets want to take you to school and teach you how to change and adapt to fight BK it will remain an entertaining but fairly low level brawl and blood fest like it is now. Which is maybe what the fans want but that's a different matter.

There's nothing wrong with WC.

Where your wrong is thinking that old time boxing is better than modern boxing for BK fighting. (Its not) Your reasoning behind this assumption is flawed.

Old style bk boxing in today's bk boxing would get smashed. The stance is horrible as is WC......hands down chin up is not good

Your thoughts on body shots not being effective or whatever in boxing is flawed and demonstrates you have never been punched in the liver. Sure with gloves they hurt more and are more effective but they are still a big part of both boxing and mma. You can also find them in lethwei and kardon chuek....again the game doesn't need a huge overhaul to some outdated ineffective hands down chin up system



So many great fighters style centered around body shots

 

[shincheckin]

Compare the old style muay boran to today's kard chuek.



And current bokator vs current kun Khmer Not bashing bokator just being real, this is bs

Kun Khmer


And yours truly

 

[shincheckin]

A little more bokator nonsense for you

 

[shincheckin]

Lol no I'm not scrawny by any means but I'm not a huge guy either.

But yes, the idea of WC working has a tendency to bring out insecurities in people I've noticed.

Prabably because of the association with Bruce Lee, and the fact that MMA is heavily based on Asian martial arts so they still have a certain mystique and this unknown variable is what gets to people I think, so they need to rubbish it in their minds rather than accept there is more than they know.

I dont see what the issue is. I'm not an expert submission grappler I can accept there are alot of submissions I don't know.
It seems some others find it hard to aaccept however that arts like WC have alot to offer, some but not all of which is compatible with ring fighting that is likewise unknown to them but works.

Your describing yourself here again.

Your the one with the inability to recognize and admit that aside from bits and pieces here and there WC fails as whole. This truth about WC raises insecurities in you which causes you to bash other martial arts and resort to insults and accusations such as you did with me, stating I have a emotional bias against WC when I am willing to learn it.


You again demonstrate lack of knowledge here. Mma has a mystique due to it being heavily influenced by Asian martial arts? Let's see here:
Boxing, American
Wrestling, American
BJJ, Brazil
MT, Thailand

Even MMA in regards to UFC is very American.