First, your own argument is that wc can be used as a base for mma and the octagon just like boxing is or muay thai is. In fact u think wc is even better suited.
Second what does it mean to use a martial art or sport as a base? It means that its techniques form the core of your fighting style whic you supplement with other martial disciplines to fill in the gaps where that art or style is weak in e.g. boxing has no kicks or kick defence or defence against lower leg kick attacks to the base so muay thai is added to fill in that gap. There is no elbows nor anti elbow defence in boxing since its not allowed and so u add muay thai to the mix . The clinch in boxing is passive because dirty boxin within the clinch was banned earlier on from boxing and so for what you do after the clinch is entered is the layering on of other disciplines that do stress on different ways of infighting within the clinch like muay thai and wrestling.
For its range boxing punching technique is intact and so are evasion and parrying technique as well as footwork. There is no substantial change essentially to the boxing that is used in mma per se - just the layering of other arts to fill in the gaps because mma is multi range and multi dimensional and multi weaponed so to speak. That is what MMA involves. Likewise for any other art that is used as the base.
Thirdly there Is in fact no need to adjust any boxing technique for bare knuckle boxing at all. The shift from gloves to just wraps is adjusted to almost immediately because the techniques an stance are exactly he same as evidenced by the clips of bare knuckle boxing on the net. They even still punch with the horizontal fist despite many w c people saying that will shatter the bones in the fist more easily and advocating the vertical fist.
Fourthly the problem with yor clips thta you say show w used as a base for mma or bare knuckle boxing is that the fighters therein simply do not use wc as their base in reality. What they are doing either shows boxing or muay thai mechanics. If the punch has r same dynamics as a boxing punch then how is it still a wc punch? If wc is used as a base then use wc and a bas art will not need to be modified - just having other parts layered on to it. But if even the punch that is fundamental to what wc does has to be modified into becoming a boxing style punch, then let's be honest about such an exercise to legitimise the present form of wc for the octagon - it is nothing but passing off wc as a different art.
The amount of layering and modification you describe could also be said to be hardly recognizable as 'boxing'!
Since we have already established much of your previous statements of WC 'mechanics' which you mislearned years ago was bogus and u had confused centreline theory with the mistaken idea WC only uses a 'linear engine' (rather than many lines of force and power generation including rotation of stance as the forms show which clearly disprove this) we can see by the same logic WC can be used as a standup base in the same way as boxing with 'layering'.
-The starting point is close range striking , parrying and elbows with control. This uses the WC counter punch style with uppercuts, straights and hooks which are driven with tendon power and can also add stepping and rotational power from the stance/waist turn (which are in any case overlapping).
-Elbows range - already covered. Some differences with MT yes as per centreline theory but very many similarities, both styles being from nearby regions likely having some shared origins and much more similarity than with western boxing.
- Grappling - can be layered ontop more also with Judo/Greco for clinch. Chi sau gives a deeper sensitivity and striking potential also than any other art so the grappling WC interface is much more natural than boxing due to chi sau.
-Mid range- WC footwork circling steps and persuing steps is compatable with any flat footed footwork as used in combat sports that allows rooting. Can be 'layered'/ adapted also without much trouble.
So we see that likewise WC can be used as a standup base with layering. The extent of this and whether it is more/less than with boxing is subjective and a matter of opinion
i asked for evidence and you gave it.
However I wouldnt say that artem lobov is low level BK. The guy has 30 fights in the UFC, compared to malignagi 40+ boxing fights. Paulie was also old washed up and retired.
You speak of great differenced in gloved boxing vs BK boxing. Can you please show me the different between the two because I dont see any difference other than the gloves are missing.
No gloves is not going to drastically change the game.
Just like MT without shinpads, is not a major change from fighting with shinpads..........the techniques are all the same. the pads are just gone.
This is clearly untrue and you know it.
The size of the gloves means the guard is much easier in boxing as punches cannot get through compared to without.
BK just covering up isnt going to do it.
This in turn opens up new angles to hit and new strategy.
The punches damage the face and body more but can also damage the hands, so elbow blocks become viable.
They are not as difficult as you make them sound.
In WC the approach is to use a parry like pak sau to guide the incoming fist into an elbow. This makes it alot easier to hit it and after a few of these the other guy wont want to punch anymore- time to switch to palm strikes.
Why are elbow strikes generally favoured in WC over hooks? I believe again to protect the hands is one reason.
Without gloves clinch and holding is much more viable also and control.
One of the fundamental differences in WC to boxing is most apparant in BK- the habit of a boxer to always retract their fists and keep them in a guard close to the body.
In a very simplified description, in WC an arm is usually kept extended more to control one of the opponents limbs and aid defence as well as setting up an attack. These may obviously be replaced at high speed as you strike repeatedly or parry etc, but boxing doesn't have this level of protection built in to prevent being hit instead relying on reflexes and head movement more.
Chi sau infight skills will be important here.
Here we see vid of a pro boxer swinging in the pocket. Maybe one of the most skilled pro boxers to have done BK so far.
This is an example of why although entertaining, boxing gets you busted up badly.The BK style actually exposes moden boxings shortcomings as a martial art with how badly even the winner gets busted up, hit and dropped by low level strikers.
The philosophy is to not get hit yourself and if possible neutralize the opponents weapons.
The fact boxing also developed as a ring sport for entertainment mean the strategies are for this not for effectiveness but to encourage trading.
So sorry, I see BK as a reset and so far I don't see western gloved boxing as a great crossover style. It's just the main style people train and know about so it's what we see.
Maybe Soviet style boxing would be a better fit but less entertaining.
