The Road to Wing Chun applied in Combat Sports

[TheMaster]

Kicks done from wc stance the wc way are close range. They can only become medium range if you adopt kickboxing or karate style technique and kick out of wc stance.

Footwork done the wc way is not boxing footwork whether flat footed or not. Adopting boxing footwork will mean abandoning wc stance when you are in a sprawl position you are unable to use a downward elbow strike with any real force and if u tried u would compromise your underhooks and control of the wrestler beneath u and he will escape your control.

No it doesn't. The structure is unaffected.
Your version of 'wc' would never work because you have misunderstood it so it's not WC.
The SNT stance is primarily a training stance.

Moving with flat footed rooting is the WC stance, not keeping the legs in a certain position that is a complete noob misunderstanding.

And again, a forward kick at full extent is medium range doesn't matter how you try to spin it.

 

[Woldog]

Could you?

Defeat who @ironkhan57 or Wing Chun? Cause I'm like 100% certain I could beat the fuck outta both options.

 

[shincheckin]

Can Wing Chun defeat @ironkhan57 in a fight?

Pretty sure wang Chun can beat iron street smart khan

 

[shincheckin]

This is alot of overlap here with WC approach.
However boxers will not be as experienced doing this without gloves at speed.

Boxers will do just fine without gloves.

 

[shincheckin]

Seriously I think all of sherdog is with me on this one.

Wing Chun is designed for the streets.

Awesome let's see it being used in the streets then

 

[shincheckin]

@Woldog

Man fight nerds are way to technical. " you must punch with your middle knuckle at a 90 degree obtuse angle squared"

No mutha fucka, hit him with your fist.

 

[Sanserif]

No it doesn't. The structure is unaffected.
Your version of 'wc' would never work because you have misunderstood it so it's not WC.
The SNT stance is primarily a training stance.

Moving with flat footed rooting is the WC stance, not keeping the legs in a certain position that is a complete noob misunderstanding.

And again, a forward kick at full extent is medium range doesn't matter how you try to spin it.

The stance in siu nim tao is not a training stance. It is the base stance for wc and the most important. For fighting it is the same stance just turned sideways. The fact that u even denigrate the siu nim tao stance reveals your misunderstanding of wc and brings into even more question all the answers you have been purporting to make on behalf of wc here.

Being flat footed is not what makes a stance wc. That is the least of it. The stance in siu nim.tao on top of those flat feet is what makes it wc stance.

A kick delivered as per wc will be just as rooted as any w punch and therefore it is close range.m and done in stance.

 

[shincheckin]

I'm gonna keep posting this until we get it


WC is made for the streets so show it working in the streets then

 

[shincheckin]

Good video of a breakdown on boxing vs wc, by the black wc guy.

Wc has a major flaw in its stance. The hands are at the chest, and kept there, they punch from the chest.

Chin up hands down!

 

[Woldog]

@Woldog

Man fight nerds are way to technical. " you must punch with your middle knuckle at a 90 degree obtuse angle squared"

No mutha fucka, hit him with your fist.

A good punch is one that lands lmao

 

[TheMaster]

The stance in siu nim tao is not a training stance. It is the base stance for wc and the most important. For fighting it is the same stance just turned sideways. The fact that u even denigrate the siu nim tao stance reveals your misunderstanding of wc and brings into even more question all the answers you have been purporting to make on behalf of wc here.

Being flat footed is not what makes a stance wc. That is the least of it. The stance in siu nim.tao on top of those flat feet is what makes it wc stance.

A kick delivered as per wc will be just as rooted as any w punch and therefore it is close range.m and done in stance.

No, the SNT inward pointing toes posture is a training stance.
Being rooted with flat foot, with interlocking knee force as you step, properly aligned spine is the key.

Article on Samuel Kwok website, student of Ip chun.

http://www.kwokwingchun.com/training-tips/stances-and-kicking/the-wing-chun-stance/

" It must be stressed that the Wing Chun training stance is not a stance in which one would fight. "

And don't say Kwok doesn't know what he is talking about.

No wonder you are giving such bogus answers and misunderstanding. You are mistaking the training stance and other principles and taking them out of context as fixed positions.
This is why you are saying idiotic things like "that's not a WC parry", "that's not a WC elbow" etc etc you're like someone who was given a high school certificate trying to criticize people doing it post-graduate.

It is supposed to be a flexible principle based art and the better you get the more you can 'break the rules' of the first two forms and freestyle but still be consistent with WC mechanics.

 

[TheMaster]

Defeat who @ironkhan57 or Wing Chun? Cause I'm like 100% certain I could beat the fuck outta both options.

Are you sure you can handle IronKhan?
What about that lightning reflexes, granite chin, ko power in both hands and unrelenting dedication to his art?

Good video of a breakdown on boxing vs wc, by the black wc guy.

Wc has a major flaw in its stance. The hands are at the chest, and kept there, they punch from the chest.

Chin up hands down!

Yeah, because raising our hands a bit higher the whole thing will just fall apart and won't work, WC principles will be violated, the body centre of gravity will be off, and the punches won't work anymore so we can't do that type of minor adjustment.

Same with keeping chin tucked, it would violate code #473 of the WC mechanics guidelines rendering full tendon power longbridge force no longer tenable and resulting in unacceptable bioshock feedback to the stance equilibrium.

 

[Sanserif]

No, the SNT inward pointing toes posture is a training stance.
Being rooted with flat foot, with interlocking knee force as you step, properly aligned spine is the key.

Article on Samuel Kwok website, student of Ip chun.

http://www.kwokwingchun.com/training-tips/stances-and-kicking/the-wing-chun-stance/

" It must be stressed that the Wing Chun training stance is not a stance in which one would fight. "

And don't say Kwok doesn't know what he is talking about.

No wonder you are giving such bogus answers and misunderstanding. You are mistaking the training stance and other principles and taking them out of context as fixed positions.
This is why you are saying idiotic things like "that's not a WC parry", "that's not a WC elbow" etc etc you're like someone who was given a high school certificate trying to criticize people doing it post-graduate.

It is supposed to be a flexible principle based art and the better you get the more you can 'break the rules' of the first two forms and freestyle but still be consistent with WC mechanics.

The fighting stance of wing chun is the stance in siu nim tao turned sideways. That is what I said in my posts above- pls re read them instead of jumping to conclusions.

Stepping with interlocked knees and vertically stretched spine etc is what happens when you step with the siu nim tao stance turned sideways.

Even the article you linked says this "One way of thinking about the training stance is that is like training 2 back legs. ie each leg is in the position your back leg would be in when in a Wing Chun fighting stance." That is what happens when u turn he stance in siu nim tao sideways.

 

[Woldog]

Are you sure you can handle IronKhan?
What about that lightning reflexes, granite chin, ko power in both hands and unrelenting dedication to his art?
.

His devastating KO power does have me on edge. I'd have to hope I can avoid his lightening fast punches.

 

[Sanserif]

Yeah, because raising our hands a bit higher the whole thing will just fall apart and won't work, WC principles will be violated, the body centre of gravity will be off, and the punches won't work anymore so we can't do that type of minor adjustment.

Same with keeping chin tucked, it would violate code #473 of the WC mechanics guidelines rendering full tendon power longbridge force no longer tenable and resulting in unacceptable bioshock feedback to the stance equilibrium.

This is just bizarre because what you said above is exactly what I have been insisting on with you in reply to your points!

 

[Sanserif]

Good video of a breakdown on boxing vs wc, by the black wc guy.

Wc has a major flaw in its stance. The hands are at the chest, and kept there, they punch from the chest.

Chin up hands down!

The wc guy should have stayed his ground as what the video commentator said. That would have been true to wc also had he done so. His footwork was so neither wingchun nor was it boxing. I am not sure what he was doing in that aspect. He had no semblance of proper stance and no structurre and he was not even connected to the ground most of the time. As a result his punches looked like wild flailing that had little power. Unfortunately yet again this is another example of a wc practitioner not teally doing wc when he started sparring so it's not a fair representation of wc in that sense.

 

[TheMaster]

This is just bizarre because what you said above is exactly what I have been insisting on with you in reply to your points!

Also you forgot point #271 of the WC mechanics guidelines.

The explosive bioshock force release principles predicated on aborption and simultaneous redirection of counter energy of incoming strikes will be lacking and ineffective, unless minute details of elbow tension are maintained as you remain rooted into the interlocking knee force as movements are directed through the central axis with centrifugal force release as the obvious necessary components of full energy efficiency redistribution as per the laws of motion and time-force multipliers around a rotational axis,thus uprooting the opponents stance as one drives through their posture...

 

[Sanserif]

Also you forgot point #271 of the WC mechanics guidelines.

The explosive bioshock force release principles predicated on aborption and simultaneous redirection of counter energy of incoming strikes will be lacking and ineffective, unless minute details of elbow tension are maintained as you remain rooted into the interlocking knee force as movements are directed through the central axis with centrifugal force release as the obvious necessary components of full energy efficiency redistribution as per the laws of motion and time-force multipliers around a rotational axis,thus uprooting the opponents stance as one drives through their posture...

There is no such thing as "the wc mechanics guidelines". Let alone point 271. Just some simple yet profound principles that you seem to think are optional but yet are vital to wc.

Also your explanation is too wordy on your part with some nonsense terminology and phrases by you like "bioshock...laws of motion and time force multipliers" etc.

Also there is no absorption but redirection of energy. There is also no rotational axis.

 

[TheMaster]

There is no such thing as "the wc mechanics guidelines". Let alone point 271. Just some simple yet profound principles that you seem to think are optional but yet are vital to wc.

Also your explanation is too wordy on your part with some nonsense terminology and phrases by you like "bioshock...laws of motion and time force multipliers" etc.

Also there is no absorption but redirection of energy. There is also no rotational axis.

 

[Sanserif]

Is that all you have left? Empty sarcasm and posting GIFs after your favourite wing chun ideas hv been all refuted? ....