The Road to Wing Chun applied in Combat Sports

[RabbitPunch36]

I don't want to see something like in the movies. I want to see something like the WC training videos you post.

Bruh your misinterpreting bruh

Man I think you and woldog need to go to a reading comprehension class taught by theMaster and IronKhan. You two are always misinterprating these fine young fellas.

 

[Dexter]

the reason he is called themaster, is because he is the master at elaborately re-wording bullshit in circles.

he doesnt use time stamps anymore cause he got caught on his bullshit.

Heres the last time stamp of one of his previous posts

heres what he had to say about the man with his back turned at 47 seconds

"He is basically in classic chi sau position at 0:47
He keeps constant forward pressure and uses a 'spoiling hands' and single tie to control and hit.
I don't see any 'boxing' there at all he keeps it constant at telephone box range and overwhelms."

heres the actual fight clip, time stamped at 47 seconds for your "WC" viewing pleasure




as we can all tell, what we see above, is clearly similar to this




@TheMaster

can you please provide a example in WC of a man holding his opponent with 1 hand, and reigning uppercuts with the other, like we see in the fight clip above? If we saw something like this as an explicit WC technique, then I would say sure its WC. but the only thing we see in WC is sticky hands and what not.

Loool. Now I know what’s real life application of the most famous WC drill and I know another WC sifu who use it often! Welcome, Chris Leben:



We need to search his basement for a wooden dummy, ASAP!

 

[shincheckin]

Loool. Now I know what’s real life application of the most famous WC drill and I know another WC sifu who use it often! Welcome, Chris Leben:



We need to search his basement for a wooden dummy, ASAP!

Too dangerous for the ring. Designed to end fights quickly. Not play hand tag (see chi sao and sticky hands).

Ps. That won't work outside of the ring because of cement and groin shots.

 

[shincheckin]

@TheMaster

I'm not looking for something like the movies.

I'm looking for something like this video you posted


Side note. Above video looks a lot like movies.

 

[TheMaster]

Loool. Now I know what’s real life application of the most famous WC drill and I know another WC sifu who use it often! Welcome, Chris Leben:



We need to search his basement for a wooden dummy, ASAP!

Or maybe it's in both styles?

Even further, maybe we can use WC as a base and integrate other arts to make an even more comprehensive fight system like they do in MMA, but with a self defence focus?

I don't want to see something like in the movies. I want to see something like the WC training videos you post.

And you got it.
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[TheMaster]

Man I think you and woldog need to go to a reading comprehension class taught by theMaster and IronKhan. You two are always misinterprating these fine young fellas.

Stick to the boxing kid. This MMA /self defence thing got too many dimensions for you.

 

[RabbitPunch36]

Stick to the boxing kid. This MMA /self defence thing got too many dimensions for you.

 

[TheMaster]

 

[TheMaster]

@TheMaster

I'm not looking for something like the movies.

I'm looking for something like this video you posted


Side note. Above video looks a lot like movies.

It's WC vs WC in the game of chi sau.
It's like sport BJJ, it is the 'pure art' side and it is enjoyable and has some fighting applications but is limited by itself.

At least those guys glove up and do some sparring though which is why I posted the vid as they are a legit school even if the standard is only mediocre.

Some people get into the pure Wing Chun vs Wing Chun game and persue it like that which is endless also. Less are those who want to test and train against other styles that's just how how it is amongst a mainly hobbyist community without a competitive combat sport base.

There are 'chi sau competitions' in some places which people have mixed views about.
At least more intense but not usually how it is done.

 

[Woldog]

Man I think you and woldog need to go to a reading comprehension class taught by theMaster and IronKhan. You two are always misinterprating these fine young fellas.

 

[aerius]

So in conclusion, Roberto Duran is the greatest Wing Chun master alive.

 

[zapataxiv]

So in conclusion, Roberto Duran is the greatest Wing Chun master alive.

Possibly

Look here classic wing chun stance using long bridge wing chun to stop playing hand tag at boxing range

Here he is in self defense range clearly to close for boxing here he needs to use mma modified dirty boxing aka wing chun.

@TheMaster os that right? Sid i take the road to reality?

 

[j123]

In this thread: all successful fighters are WC, all losers are everything else

Its like classic:
"Do you believe in Jesus?"
"naw"

scenario 1: "Well your leap in scientific discovery is 100% evidence of his work. It was all his will guiding you despite your stubbornness"

scenario 2: "well you didn't believe in him and sinned by playing with this 'science' so it's clear you need him"

 

[shincheckin]

It's WC vs WC in the game of chi sau.
It's like sport BJJ, it is the 'pure art' side and it is enjoyable and has some fighting applications but is limited by itself.

At least those guys glove up and do some sparring though which is why I posted the vid as they are a legit school even if the standard is only mediocre.

Some people get into the pure Wing Chun vs Wing Chun game and persue it like that which is endless also. Less are those who want to test and train against other styles that's just how how it is amongst a mainly hobbyist community without a competitive combat sport base.

There are 'chi sau competitions' in some places which people have mixed views about.
At least more intense but not usually how it is done.

This has been your most compelling post.

The chi sao competition looks more like some sort of arm control wrestling than it does hand trapping. But this is not bad for arm control. Although it's much different than what we see in training vids. Much more realistic here and fight applicable. Hard to tell from a video without trying it yourself but I'd be willing to give it a go. +1 for WC. You should have made this your first post. It gives a view of what it would like like in real time, and a opportunity to evaluate it. Even though it's sport context.

 

[Sanserif]

Or maybe it's in both styles?

Even further, maybe we can use WC as a base and integrate other arts to make an even more comprehensive fight system like they do in MMA, but with a self defence focus?



And you got it.
Next

Apart from at extreme close quarters, Wing Chun's stance is too locked in and rigid to use as a base because of too great vulnerability from being taken down, leaves the head too vulnerable to strikes (particularly to non linesr strikes) and it is not mobile enough for use against multiple opponents. Boxing and kickboxing is a far more useful and versatile base for these reasons. Instead of as a base, wingchun's lessons on centreline application and awareness, biomechanical structure provoking more force and balance and sensitivity can be disseminated to adjust subtly the technique of the primary martial arts or sports used by the exponent. In this way rather than being the engine, wingchun theory and sensitivity training can function therefore as the additives that can bring overall performance up by an additional degree rather than applying their actual techniques as the core base for combat.

Therefore rather than being used directly for heir combat efficacy most of the time at which it is less than ideal in its present form for the contemporary context, the value of wingchun is primarily as a training exercise to develop certain intrinsic attributes that are beneficial to optimise combat effectiveness.

 

[rmongler]

Evidence of high level wing chun:

 

[Sanserif]

Evidence of high level wing chun:

Those are not wingchun chain punches.

 

[Dexter]

Those are not wingchun chain punches.

Yep, not true, authentic WC, just some impostor trying to imitate!

 

[TheMaster]

Apart from at extreme close quarters, Wing Chun's stance is too locked in and rigid to use as a base because of too great vulnerability from being taken down, leaves the head too vulnerable to strikes (particularly to non linesr strikes) and it is not mobile enough for use against multiple opponents. Boxing and kickboxing is a far more useful and versatile base for these reasons. Instead of as a base, wingchun's lessons on centreline application and awareness, biomechanical structure provoking more force and balance and sensitivity can be disseminated to adjust subtly the technique of the primary martial arts or sports used by the exponent. In this way rather than being the engine, wingchun theory and sensitivity training can function therefore as the additives that can bring overall performance up by an additional degree rather than applying their actual techniques as the core base for combat.

Therefore rather than being used directly for heir combat efficacy most of the time at which it is less than ideal in its present form for the contemporary context, the value of wingchun is primarily as a training exercise to develop certain intrinsic attributes that are beneficial to optimise combat effectiveness.

I see your angle on this although where I differ is;
If you do the above, you are training wing chun regardless and it is an matter of opinion whether it is for an 'additive' or as a 'core integration of another art'

Also, footwork should be natural.
There is nothing to stop you using the WC principles and using more mobile footwork.
In fact as you pointed out, the footwork is designed for very close range which is also why they are not mobile most of the time.

WC can be the engine, and what we know of a few boxing concepta and other useful MMA tools can be the added ingredients since it is already a very complete system.

My opinion is that when you do WC at longer range, it most closely resembles what we know of old fashioned BK boxing with emphasis on linear strikes and parries.

I am confident enough in the above statement that with a few years of training and development we can see a WC world BK champion.

 

[rmongler]

Those are not wingchun chain punches.

WHat are you talking about bro, who doesn't recognize that widely known master wing chun sifu, Vitor Belfort ?