The real reason Brock won

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He finally fucking has Greg Nelson AKA the best MMA trainer named Greg AKA the Greg whos better than Greg Jackson back in his corner!!! Greg was missing in the Cain and Overeem fight.
 
Yeah Because his corner/gameplan/preparation are the reasons he lost to Cain and Reem...
 
Thought it was because he trained with Pat Barry.
 
Yes...Cain and Overeem fights were obvious flukes. Lesnar displayed some world class well-roundness last night that makes him a valid threat to anyone in the world.
 
Big Brown Clown said:
Yup! That's exactly what he did considering Mark Hunt was number one contender not long ago and Brock just dominated him.
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Being a number one contender doesn't necessarily mean you're the best fighter around. Case in point: Brock Lesnar was the champion without even getting near to being the best fighter around.
 
Greg Nelson is definitely an important part of Lesnar's gameplanning.
 
Big Brown Clown said:
Who the fuck said he was the best fighter around or that being the champion makes you the best fighter around? All you said was a valid threat and that's exactly what Brock proved he is by dominating the former #1 contender.
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He's a valid threat to fighters who only recently discovered wrestling. Not too many of them in top 10.
 
Big Brown Clown said:
Brock has literally taken down everyone he's faced except Overeem. And that's when Brock was a few months out of surgery and Overeem was so juiced you could test positive by being in a 5 mile radius of him.

So safe to say Brock is threat no matter your level of wrestling. Cain got taken down twice. It's a game of inches and if Cain made a little mistake that allowed Brock to secure top position that fight could have gone very differently. Cain couldn't have taken those shots Mark Hunt took tonight.
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Taking people down doesn't count for much if you can't hold them down and actually mount some offense. I am willing to bet I would be able to take Cain down under right and not even too extreme circumstances but that still doesn't make me a legit threat to any serious fighter.

And as far as Cain not being able to take those shots...you're talking as if it were some otherworldly punches. They weren't.

Brock is not returning to title contention, unless he's given an immediate title shot after this stellar performance of his.
 
Armored Saint said:
He's been training and juicing heavily over the last 4 years.
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To me the legitimacy of the win is gonna be nill looking back at this fight, and I don't think Lesnar can ever be considered too great of a fighter because of it. It's like just like what Rogan always calls him an "Athlete" that's really the best most fitting description for Lesnar's career.
He's not a serious fighter, and can never really be seriously considered to be. He is a former wrestler in which he has his title to cling to, but he wasn't so dominant as to be considered some great of that sport either, and he got kicked from the NFL.

His real success is in life is mainly from being entertaining, and so it makes perfect sense that he'd be a draw in a mainly spectacle sport like the UFC. In which he's able to hold guys down with his huge juiced up body and have that considered to be a win. The fact that he's able to do that with so little technical skill says more about what a poorly regulated spectacle that division is than Brock. His athleticism is impressive, but you couldn't replicate this in any serious sport simply because of proper regulation. Just because you're tall doesn't mean you could get dropped into the NBA.
IMO factor in - the weight discrepancies of the HW division - How hard it is to avoid takedowns - How hard it is for 200lbp + people to contend with gravity - How the contests are scored + the clear juicing and disparity in fitness between the two athletes and the matchup you're left with is a complete joke and a perfect storm for an athlete like Lesnar to compete in "top level" MMA.

Fact is that under these same favorable conditions I'm sure a tonne of big guys can easily do the exact same thing Lesnar did. I think you'll have a hard time trying to refute that. In wrestling for an instance, this match wouldn't happen and you wouldn't get a mismatch with an unfit uncompetitive guy like Hunt vs. a juiced up guy like Lesnar.

Real sports is defined by it's complete fairness and a completely level playing field where the rules favor neither contestant so they can compete with their skills first and everything else second. This was definitely a freakshow match instead up there along the likes of Pride, not something that can really be taken seriously or respected.

The real problem is that there's still such an incredulous naivety about the face of how juiced and non juiced athletes should realistically look like. And maybe that MMA by it's nature really isn't about technical skill first unlike other sports.

If you wanna shitpost me in response I don't really care, at least one of us can use their brain and try learning.
 
Pinchez said:
To me the legitimacy of the win is gonna be nill looking back at this fight, and I don't think Lesnar can ever be considered too great of a fighter because of it. It's like just like what Rogan always calls him an "Athlete" that's really the best most fitting description for Lesnar's career.
He's not a serious fighter, and can never really be seriously considered to be. He is a former wrestler in which he has his title to cling to, but he wasn't so dominant as to be considered some great of that sport either, and he got kicked from the NFL.

His real success is in life is mainly from being entertaining, and so it makes perfect sense that he'd be a draw in a mainly spectacle sport like the UFC. In which he's able to hold guys down with his huge juiced up body and have that considered to be a win. The fact that he's able to do that with so little technical skill says more about what a poorly regulated spectacle that division is than Brock. His athleticism is impressive, but you couldn't replicate this in any serious sport simply because of proper regulation. Just because you're tall doesn't mean you could get dropped into the NBA.
IMO factor in - the weight discrepancies of the HW division - How hard it is to avoid takedowns - How hard it is for 200lbp + people to contend with gravity - How the contests are scored + the clear juicing and disparity in fitness between the two athletes and the matchup you're left with is a complete joke and a perfect storm for an athlete like Lesnar to compete in "top level" MMA.

Fact is that under these same favorable conditions I'm sure a tonne of big guys can easily do the exact same thing Lesnar did. I think you'll have a hard time trying to refute that. In wrestling for an instance, this match wouldn't happen and you wouldn't get a mismatch with an unfit uncompetitive guy like Hunt vs. a juiced up guy like Lesnar.

Real sports is defined by it's complete fairness and a completely level playing field where the rules favor neither contestant so they can compete with their skills first and everything else second. This was definitely a freakshow match instead up there along the likes of Pride, not something that can really be taken seriously or respected.

The real problem is that there's still such an incredulous naivety about the face of how juiced and non juiced athletes should realistically look like. And maybe that MMA by it's nature really isn't about technical skill first unlike other sports.

If you wanna shitpost me in response I don't really care, at least one of us can use their brain and try learning.
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Bawhahahahaha fo/ky imo.
 
SuperNerd said:
Save it for something you have a grasp of.

You embarrassed yourself with that post. Go start over. Less salt plz.
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Sorry, but just fyi I'm not actually feeling salty.

This is my last post.

A) Combat sports, boxing, K1 and professional martial arts mean absolutely nothing.

B) An obese Hunt competed in a contest against a juicer of 280-300lbp of pure muscle where laying on top of people awards points.


That's about as clear cut as I think it can be said maybe.
 
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