The price tag for USADA-testing

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Chael quipped just days ago on JRE (#822), while relaying a story on Wand, that the testing price-tag for an in-camp fighter is around 40,000 USD. It was said in passing but I found myself astounded over that number.



I also came upon an interview with Nate and Nick's sparring juggernaut Andre Ward, who enquired of USADA-testing for a bout in 2011-2012; he relayed the following:

"It costs $50,000 to $100,000 for 7 to 8 weeks to do random testing for both fighters. That's what I recently found out because that's something that I want to implement in my fight with Carl Froch, whether he wants to do it or not," explained Ward, who is contemplating the use of USADA Olympic-style drug testing for his upcoming title unification with WBC super middleweight champion Carl Froch later this year. "I believe Carl is a clean fighter, but I just think that with a fight of this magnitude, it would be great for the sport to implement something like Olympic-style drug testing," he continued. "The goal is to go through with it even if Carl doesn't want to. But again, the cost could be an issue, so we'll see."

Does anyone have any background or experience in this sort of thing that could break down the cost for me?

It seems exorbitant how it can cost that much when we have seen turnaround (Jones' B-sample, e.g.) as quickly as 24 hours, meaning that the labour of analysing a single sample doesn't seem overly taxing - so, first centrifuged and then inserted into an automated scanning hold? Followed up with a phone call to alert of a positive...sounds like a bill of no more than three fiddy.


"Random" testing in essence could mean one time, I gather, or many; they must make a bloody killing at this.

Is this more a symptom of the immense cost of medical care and administrative overhead in the United States?

Sorry for length (I do love the didn't read GIFs though). Edify me, lads.
 
UFC spent all their money on USADA testing.

Can only pay TJ 25K25K
 
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It's 45k a fighter and roughly 540k a show to test. The tests are anonymous and just get dumped in with other companies.

A B sample can be tested within 24 hours because you are singling that sample out and testing it specifically. It's not feasible to have every sample tested within 24 hours unless you have your own lab and you can see how that could be a problem.

Testing is not cheap. It's why normal businesses test you once when you are hired and never again unless there is a problem.
 
Chael quipped just days ago on JRE (#822), while relaying a story on Wand, that the testing price-tag for an in-camp fighter is around 40,000 USD. It was said in passing but I found myself astounded over that number.



I also came upon an interview with Nate and Nick's sparring juggernaut Andre Ward, who enquired of USADA-testing for a bout in 2011-2012; he relayed the following:

"It costs $50,000 to $100,000 for 7 to 8 weeks to do random testing for both fighters. That's what I recently found out because that's something that I want to implement in my fight with Carl Froch, whether he wants to do it or not," explained Ward, who is contemplating the use of USADA Olympic-style drug testing for his upcoming title unification with WBC super middleweight champion Carl Froch later this year. "I believe Carl is a clean fighter, but I just think that with a fight of this magnitude, it would be great for the sport to implement something like Olympic-style drug testing," he continued. "The goal is to go through with it even if Carl doesn't want to. But again, the cost could be an issue, so we'll see."

Does anyone have any background or experience in this sort of thing that could break down the cost for me?

It seems exorbitant how it can cost that much when we have seen turnaround (Jones' B-sample, e.g.) as quickly as 24 hours, meaning that the labour of analysing a single sample doesn't seem overly taxing - so, first centrifuged and then inserted into an automated scanning hold? Followed up with a phone call to alert of a positive...sounds like a bill of no more than three fiddy.


"Random" testing in essence could mean one time, I gather, or many; they must make a bloody killing at this.

Is this more a symptom of the immense cost of medical care and administrative overhead in the United States?

Sorry for length (I do love the didn't read GIFs though). Edify me, lads.


That's bullshit. You can book time on ICP-MS instruments at the university for ~$50/hr, and individual analyses take minutes. It's not like they're using a fucking particle accelerator or some shit.
 
It's 45k a fighter and roughly 540k a show to test. The tests are anonymous and just get dumped in with other companies.

A B sample can be tested within 24 hours because you are singling that sample out and testing it specifically. It's not feasible to have every sample tested within 24 hours unless you have your own lab and you can see how that could be a problem.

Testing is not cheap. It's why normal businesses test you once when you are hired and never again unless there is a problem.
Yeah, but if I break into your house and try to steal your katana sword, will you blame my being able to outrun you on PEDs or will you train me to catch fish with naked hand?
 
Damn that is expensive.
 
It's shocking that another company isn't able to massively undercut USADA's pricing. How much overhead could there possibly be? For 7-8 weeks of testing that probably means a lot of airline tickets, so set aside 10k for that. No idea how much lab analysis costs but that plus the salary of the tester shouldn't be exceeding 50-100k...
 
-I was amazed by the 40,000 price Chael mentioned as well.

- i am even more amazed by the price of WADA when you attempt to count the lost revenue on what could have been so many great fights.

- it appears to me that WADA cost the UFC at least .2 billion, and may have even been a reason they decided to sell- to stop testing now would have been political suicide, but i cant imagine they are happy they did it- a vocal minority on Sherdog may be happy, but I will never believe Lorenzo had a moral problem with PEDs.
 
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As soon as I read Carl Froch's name, I got vivid flashbacks to when he kept talking about his triumph in front of 70,000 at Wembley, comparing it to MayPac
 
Well the article in June 2015 when the USADA testing in the UFC began there was an article that they were contracted for several million US dollars to provide ~ 2,750 PED tests for the remainder of the year.

You don't get much more vague than "several", but in English, "A" (would be used for 1) or "A couple" (would likely be used for 2).

This would lead us to believe that 3,000,000 is the minimum that constitutes "several".

At minimum that would be $3,000,000/ 2,750 or $1,090 per test. At 5 tests per fighter on average (as the article stated that the 2,750 tests in 6 months would represent) and 5 test each for 2 fighters, and the $$$ couldn't be less than $10,900.

Chael's numbers seem slightly high, but certainly within reason given what little we do know of the financial structure of the tests.
 
That's bullshit. You can book time on ICP-MS instruments at the university for ~$50/hr, and individual analyses take minutes. It's not like they're using a fucking particle accelerator or some shit.
I didn't want to do this, but you've forced my hand, mate; I do have a picture of USADA testing Jones' B-sample:

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I know it used to cost that much but I'm pretty sure the cost has come down. I seriously doubt the UFC is paying 40k a fighter. That would add up insanely fast
 
That's bullshit. You can book time on ICP-MS instruments at the university for ~$50/hr, and individual analyses take minutes. It's not like they're using a fucking particle accelerator or some shit.

And what about the person to run the test , store the samples in a secure place, who handles the samples, maintains and cleans the equipment , keep records, do analysis etc !?

Or are we letting Sherdoggers test and make decisions based on their Bro Science degrees and basic integrity.....

Cause what could go wrong in that scenario !?
 
I know it used to cost that much but I'm pretty sure the cost has come down. I seriously doubt the UFC is paying 40k a fighter. That would add up insanely fast
I thought the same. The roster is bloated right now too; they are managing what, some 600 fighters?

I like what @DR225 says about someone undercutting them - same services, lower cost...but I guess you lose the credibility of the "brand".

When I read on USADA, information said they were a non-profit organisation...business guys here chime in but this is sounding more like the American Yakuza. If you did undercut them, they would send to your private residence...how do you say...a message.
 
And what about the person to run the test , store the samples in a secure place, who handles the samples, maintains and cleans the equipment , keep records, do analysis etc !?

Or are we letting Sherdoggers test and make decisions based on their Bro Science degrees and basic integrity.....

Cause what could go wrong in that scenario !?

Keep in mind that the $50/hr universities charge to use their labs, that covers the full time technician who keeps the instrument running and calibrated and assists you with your analyses.
 
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LOL...this looks like a guy who would ask you to show him your junk in a closet and then proceed to produce urine for him.
 
Whenever there's bureaucracy involved costs tend to shoot through the roof. So many lawyers, confidentiality agreements, management..

The testing itself is probably super cheap but I imagine it's all the legal work and "official-ness" that's so hard on the wallet. Law firms are crazy expensive and USADA propably has to jump through even more hoops per test than the UFC does.
 
Chael quipped just days ago on JRE (#822), while relaying a story on Wand, that the testing price-tag for an in-camp fighter is around 40,000 USD. It was said in passing but I found myself astounded over that number.



I also came upon an interview with Nate and Nick's sparring juggernaut Andre Ward, who enquired of USADA-testing for a bout in 2011-2012; he relayed the following:

"It costs $50,000 to $100,000 for 7 to 8 weeks to do random testing for both fighters. That's what I recently found out because that's something that I want to implement in my fight with Carl Froch, whether he wants to do it or not," explained Ward, who is contemplating the use of USADA Olympic-style drug testing for his upcoming title unification with WBC super middleweight champion Carl Froch later this year. "I believe Carl is a clean fighter, but I just think that with a fight of this magnitude, it would be great for the sport to implement something like Olympic-style drug testing," he continued. "The goal is to go through with it even if Carl doesn't want to. But again, the cost could be an issue, so we'll see."

Does anyone have any background or experience in this sort of thing that could break down the cost for me?

It seems exorbitant how it can cost that much when we have seen turnaround (Jones' B-sample, e.g.) as quickly as 24 hours, meaning that the labour of analysing a single sample doesn't seem overly taxing - so, first centrifuged and then inserted into an automated scanning hold? Followed up with a phone call to alert of a positive...sounds like a bill of no more than three fiddy.


"Random" testing in essence could mean one time, I gather, or many; they must make a bloody killing at this.

Is this more a symptom of the immense cost of medical care and administrative overhead in the United States?

Sorry for length (I do love the didn't read GIFs though). Edify me, lads.


You realise that when they retested Jones b sample they didnt do a comprehensive test they just tested for the 2 substances he originally failed for and found them again there

There is alot that goes into random testing,there is a chain of custody and 2 testers i believe plus air travel costs.
 
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