The Prestige Ending did you understand it?

[suizuri]

And yet this is all you provide to the discussion? Whats your opinion of the movie though?

I'm at work so I can't type much. I can understand where you're coming from but lol, a little too aggressive, aren't we? You're asking for my opinion of the movie? I just said it's one of my top 5's.

 

[General_Speckz]

The point is it is not believable. They could try to make it as believable as they want the fact is there is no such thing a machine that can duplicate a human being or creature or anything for that matter.

The point, for me, is to think 'what if?', and 'could it be feasible?' alongside, 'whether or not it's feasible, what existentially does the machine and its function represent?'

For me, that mash-up of takes on the machine makes it very satisfying.

 

[minute bull]

Interesting break it down if you don’t mind.

• Inception -- inconclusive, the argument lingers as to whether he's still asleep (he isn't), but because the theme is that meaning matters more than reality, the perceived twist is accidentally reinforced
• Prestige -- genre shift left too many people behind
• Interstellar -- 1) people cannot stand a paradox; 2) it doesn't feel like it ends
• Memento -- confusing timeline
• Dunkirk -- ANOTHER confusing timeline
• Insomnia -- victim to timing; both leads played against type and required more from the audience

Don't get me wrong, all of his films are very well made and I love a lot of them, INTERSTELLAR in a huge way. I consider PRESTIGE to be one of the few perfect films. But he isn't a GOAT not yet. He's either too insistent on his theme (which usually deals with the cruelty of time) or too dependent on an inspiration of his (derivative). I feel like he directs in the in-between spaces, so it feels like more that's missing than there should be. An incompleteness.

 

[TheOneAboveAll3]

I'm at work so I can't type much. I can understand where you're coming from but lol, a little too aggressive, aren't we? You're asking for my opinion of the movie? I just said it's one of my top 5's.

no, not aggresive. Just saying woudl have like to have known your opinions on it. Was not aware of your situation though

 

[TheOneAboveAll3]

The point, for me, is to think 'what if?', and 'could it be feasible?' alongside, 'whether or not it's feasible, what existentially does the machine and its function represent?'

For me, that mash-up of takes on the machine makes it very satisfying.

I mean it still wouldnt work for the movie though since back in that time we all know there werent any machines capable of doing that since there arent any now.

 

[armbarforhire]

Why didn't Angier just create a clone and use it to perform the teleportation trick the same way as Borden?

I guess clones were not mind slaves like the ones from that Simpson episode were Homer orders his clones to do his tasks and they willingly obey.

You open a Frankenstein like situation with that.

If the real one was the one that drowned and the clone was the one that was surviving it means clones have all the memories and personality of the original. Convincing a clone to live a life as a hidden decoy will not be a easy task or even plausible.

 

[blaseblah]

I guess clones were not mind slaves like the ones from that Simpson episode were Homer orders his clones to do his task and they willingly obey.

You open a Frankenstein like situation with that.

I guess it comes down to him being a shitty person who couldn't trust or share the limelight with his double. If I had a clone we'd rule the world.

 

[armbarforhire]

I guess it comes down to him being a shitty person who couldn't trust or share the limelight with his double. If I had a clone we'd rule the world.

See thing is you are still thinking YOUR clone will do what you want.

 

[armbarforhire]

And yes he was a shitty person that liked the spothlight so the clones probably wanted to be the real deal not the decoy.

 

[blaseblah]

See thing is you are still thinking YOUR clone will do what you want.

If it's a clone it will have the same mindset and outlook on life.

 

[armbarforhire]

If it's a clone it will have the same mindset and outlook on life.

Eh, I guess if you are OK with sharing every decision making, spotlight and aspect of your life by 50% of the time it can work out.

A soon as you want to move it 51% in your favor then be ready to back stabbed.

 

[General_Speckz]

I mean it still wouldnt work for the movie though since back in that time we all know there werent any machines capable of doing that since there arent any now.

This is loosely accounted for in the story. Michael Caines character, Cutter basically said it was too dangerous, so he and Borden probably had it destroyed. I mean if something like that actually existed, what humane purpose could it serve?

Anyway, the trick the people with the wild fan theories are trying to find has to do with words having multiple meanings -- it has nothing to do with plot elements, imo.

For instance, why do we use a language with words that have multiple meanings, at all? And when we create something new, why do the creators persistently opt to name it after something that already exists, instead of giving it a new, unique, name. Does that seem reasonable? You could write it off as human stupidity, or free advertising, but then you don't really want to know; you don't want to work it out.

 

[TheOneAboveAll3]

This is loosely accounted for in the story. Michael Caines character, Cutter basically said it was too dangerous, so he and Borden probably had it destroyed. I mean if something like that actually existed, what humane purpose could it serve?

Anyway, the trick the people with the wild fan theories are trying to find has to do with words having multiple meanings -- it has nothing to do with plot elements, imo.

For instance, why do we use a language with words that have multiple meanings, at all? And when we create something new, why do the creators persistently name it after something that already exists, instead of giving it a new name. Does that seem reasonable? You could write it off as human stupidity, or free advertising, but then you don't really want to know; you don't want to work it out.

True, forgot about that. I could see your point now.

 

[BB in Crazy!!!!]

Eh, I guess if you are OK with sharing every decision making, spotlight and aspect of your life by 50% of the time it can work out.

A soon as you want to move it 51% in your favor then be ready to back stabbed.

That, and he is cool with it. Algiers was shown many times not being okay with sharing the limelight. He was the star. As you said, his clones, not sure which one is the clone, only had enough spotlight for one of them. He even asked Bordon which brother was the prestige and got the applause. Of course they switched, and were fine sharing the spotlight with each other, only the shitty twin couldn’t share it with Algiers.

Me for example, with a clone would be amazing. Since they think just like me, we would take duties with the family and work, while the other went on to do fun shit with not ties. Then when one needs a vacation or the other misses the family we swap. Hardest part would be explaining everything that happened while the other was away.

 

[minute bull]

They are not clones in the typical movie sense, rather more like the movies where the main character realizes HE'S the clone. Tesla points this out when Angiers asks which hat is his, "They are ALL your hat(s)."

Each Angiers would be equally obsessive; there could be no cooperation.

 

[blaseblah]

Eh, I guess if you are OK with sharing every decision making, spotlight and aspect of your life by 50% of the time it can work out.

A soon as you want to move it 51% in your favor then be ready to back stabbed.

You wouldn't need to live the same life. They would be two different people, just with the ability to take over for each other.

 

[ToochMcCrotch]

I- Water tanks with all but one being obscured. "Now you're looking for the secret."
- Then it shows the hats again. "But you won't find it because you're not really looking. You don't really want to work it out."
- Changes back to the tanks. "You want to be fooled."
- Shows only 1 person in a tank clearly.

lol the more I think about it, the more I think I might actually be right.

Hey, I like the theory, enjoyable to think through. But one of the Bale brothers got caught with the drowning of Angiers, then we see the body in the tank at the end. So I think the machine had to work as Root could only account for one body, which I doubt it was him as all, as the twins commented after watching the show multiple times that it wasn’t the Double Root.

 

[armbarforhire]

You wouldn't need to live the same life. They would be two different people, just with the ability to take over for each other.

If clones have the exact memories of being the real deal then they will want to live the life as the main guy, your GF or wife , mother

People that think it will work is because they see the clones as nothing more than tools they can switch to do the dirty work for them, but thats not how it would work .

 

[armbarforhire]

Me for example, with a clone would be amazing. Since they think just like me, we would take duties with the family and work, while the other went on to do fun shit with not ties. Then when one needs a vacation or the other misses the family we swap. Hardest part would be explaining everything that happened while the other was away.

But you still will need to split money to sustain him, if both of you get diffrent jobs then like 90% of your plan goes to hell as you will have diffrent dutys to begin with.

 

[suizuri]

no, not aggresive. Just saying woudl have like to have known your opinions on it. Was not aware of your situation though

I loved that movie for a plethora of reasons. When asked why and I'm feeling lazy or don't have much time, I just say, "David Bowie as Tesla" and that'd suffice. lol. But seriously, aside from the top-notch acting (well, you got Caine, Bale and Jackman, then Andy Serkis is always reliable and Scarlett was decent; plus I got a surprise favorite there in Rebecca Hall) and top-storytelling (the foreshadowing of the dead bird in the opening scene, etc), it's a very good take on how obsession can consume people.

It's not a perfect movie, but the acting, underlying themes and discussions it can provoke, already makes it a very good watch.