The NRA's complicity in terrorism

[Deleted member 429137]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/16/o...-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0

“America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms,” one spokesman for Al Qaeda said in a 2011 recruitment video. “So what are you waiting for?”

Few places on earth make it easier than the United States for a terrorist to buy assault weapons to mow down scores of people in a matter of minutes.

It's an article that starts out powerfully and doesn't pull any punches all the way through.

Other effective measures include universal background checks to intercept people who are legally barred from gun ownership, like those convicted of domestic abuse and the mentally ill; and limits on magazine capacity, which some states have already enacted. Mr. Mateen was able to kill 49 people largely because the assault rifle he was using could fire 30-round clips as fast as he could pull the trigger. No civilian anywhere should be allowed to have that ability.

What makes the legislative inaction all the more maddening is that there is general public agreement in favor of attempts like these to reduce the bloodshed. An overwhelming majority of Americans — including gun owners and even N.R.A. members — support universal background checks, while strong majorities want to block sales to suspected terrorists and ban high-capacity magazines.

And yet the N.R.A. rejects these steps, even though it says that terrorists shouldn’t be able to get guns. Instead, it clings to the absurd fantasy that a heavily-armed populace is the best way to keep Americans safe. That failed in Orlando, where an armed security guard was on the scene but could not stop the slaughter.

It's definitely worth a read.

 

[WorldofWarcraft]

It's not the NRA, it's the people. Just look at the forum for fuck's sake. ANY forum. There's a shitload of pro gunners in every single one.

 

[TheFirstEMP]

The French NRA certainly fucked it up for everyone in Paris last November.

 

[Bald1]

Blame everything but terrorists. Weird. Was the NRA also complicit in the Paris massacre?

 

[TheFirstEMP]

Blame everything but terrorists. Weird. Was the NRA also complicit in the Paris massacre?

Pretty much this. The left wants to point the finger at anything they can to avoid the fact that two ISIS terrorists attacks took place on American soil. They'd rather blame the law abiding and scold the Constitution. Treasonous really.

 

[sloppypie]

The nra and their hard line supporters have made it clear - they won't budge. On anything. They refuse to engage in any discussion and try to intimidate critics with insults and veiled threats of "come and get my guns and see what happens."

Even Fox News pundits are reeling. It's become such a disgusting trend in this country. We can't even have a reasonable discussion on these kinds of weapons being accessible to the public.

I wouldn't be surprised if in another 10-20 years, they push for the legalization of automatic weapons and explosives. I mean if they want to be prepared to fight the government, there's no boundaries to the fucking madness.

This is heading down a very dark path, and insanity tends to spread and catch fire. I am genuinely concerned about the very near future and the kinds of calamities we will endure until we decide to stop letting loud mouthed fucking asshole nuts run things.

 

[IDL]

The constant barrage of gun control messaging isn't about stopping terrorism.

 

[Byron Carter]

The nra and their hard line supporters have made it clear - they won't budge. On anything. They refuse to engage in any discussion and try to intimidate critics with insults and veiled threats of "come and get my guns and see what happens."

Even Fox News pundits are reeling. It's become such a disgusting trend in this country. We can't even have a reasonable discussion on these kinds of weapons being accessible to the public.

I wouldn't be surprised if in another 10-20 years, they push for the legalization of automatic weapons and explosives. I mean if they want to be prepared to fight the government, there's no boundaries to the fucking madness.

This is heading down a very dark path, and insanity tends to spread and catch fire. I am genuinely concerned about the very near future and the kinds of calamities we will endure until we decide to stop letting loud mouthed fucking asshole nuts run things.

The government has no right to restrict any type of weaponry, including automatic weapons and explosives.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

The orlando shooter passed background checks that gave him security clearances and state recognition to work in the security field - including carrying a firearm

but its the NRA's fault .

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

That's because we're a nation of free men, free born and free bred.

Fuck those that would trade freedom for safety. Go move to Sweden if you want the government to wipe your ass for you.

 

[sloppypie]

Pretty much this. The left wants to point the finger at anything they can to avoid the fact that two ISIS terrorists attacks took place on American soil. They'd rather blame the law abiding and scold the Constitution. Treasonous really.

And people like you want to declare war on an enemy that isn't there.

The nut in Orlando wasn't even Isis, he just latched himself onto them after a very rousing buffet selection of other groups that directly conflict with Isis.

So let's declare war on Isis. That will lead to the internment and big brother watch of Muslims, which will move to anyone considered in league with them like "leftists" and "liberals" who are people the right wing fanatics on this board have repeatedly called traitors and deserve death. Utterly fucking disgusting.

And then what? We attack any country that has Muslims? I mean holy fuck, it's such a stupidly thought out concept that I'm shocked it's even brought up. This is what happens when fanatics with a third grade education take control of political discussions. Nothing but fucking madness.

 

[IDL]

The orlando shooter passed background checks that gave him security clearances and state recognition to work in the security field - including carrying a firearm

but its the NRA's fault .

It's funny how much mileage they can get out of an event that isn't even being addressed by the very rhetoric that is used.

 

[oldshadow]

The anti 2nd hate the NRA because the are a strong representation of the gun owners that support them.

They hate the fact that they hold them responsible when they vote in gun control and the next election they are voted out.

I may not agree with them all the time but I will continue to support them to keep up the fight.

I also support more local organizations to support gun rights.

 

[sloppypie]

The government has no right to restrict any type of weaponry, including automatic weapons and explosives.

There it is. The nra probably gives you a gold star and a pat on the head for your obedience.

 

[Byron Carter]

And people like you want to declare war on an enemy that isn't there.

The nut in Orlando wasn't even Isis, he just latched himself onto them after a very rousing buffet selection of other groups that directly conflict with Isis.

So let's declare war on Isis. That will lead to the internment and big brother watch of Muslims, which will move to anyone considered in league with them like "leftists" and "liberals" who are people the right wing fanatics on this board have repeatedly called traitors and deserve death. Utterly fucking disgusting.

And then what? We attack any country that has Muslims? I mean holy fuck, it's such a stupidly thought out concept that I'm shocked it's even brought up. This is what happens when fanatics with a third grade education take control of political discussions. Nothing but fucking madness.

You don't even understand "ISIS".

It's not a gang, or a fucking college fraternity. You don't get inducted.

It's the caliphate, and all muslims across the world have been called to join. These psychopaths only need to lift their hand and pledge allegiance, and they are in.


Mateen was ISIS.

 

[TheFirstEMP]

The nra and their hard line supporters have made it clear - they won't budge. On anything. They refuse to engage in any discussion and try to intimidate critics with insults and veiled threats of "come and get my guns and see what happens."

Even Fox News pundits are reeling. It's become such a disgusting trend in this country. We can't even have a reasonable discussion on these kinds of weapons being accessible to the public.

I wouldn't be surprised if in another 10-20 years, they push for the legalization of automatic weapons and explosives. I mean if they want to be prepared to fight the government, there's no boundaries to the fucking madness.

This is heading down a very dark path, and insanity tends to spread and catch fire. I am genuinely concerned about the very near future and the kinds of calamities we will endure until we decide to stop letting loud mouthed fucking asshole nuts run things.

Starts off by saying pro-gunners spew insults, finishes with spewing hatred and insults. Hypocrite.

You know what's the worst thing? The anti-gun left constantly lying to the uneducated and pushing so hard that they will call the law abiding "terrorists," but won't even make a peep towards the massive gang problem that America has.

Law abiding gun owning citizens have budged enough. There is no reasoning with anti's. You will get more and demand more until it's all gone.

 

[SMEAC]

And people like you want to declare war on an enemy that isn't there.

The nut in Orlando wasn't even Isis, he just latched himself onto them after a very rousing buffet selection of other groups that directly conflict with Isis.

So let's declare war on Isis. That will lead to the internment and big brother watch of Muslims, which will move to anyone considered in league with them like "leftists" and "liberals" who are people the right wing fanatics on this board have repeatedly called traitors and deserve death. Utterly fucking disgusting.

And then what? We attack any country that has Muslims? I mean holy fuck, it's such a stupidly thought out concept that I'm shocked it's even brought up. This is what happens when fanatics with a third grade education take control of political discussions. Nothing but fucking madness.

This has more of a chance of saving lives than your emotional measures

 

[Bald1]

And people like you want to declare war on an enemy that isn't there.

The nut in Orlando wasn't even Isis, he just latched himself onto them after a very rousing buffet selection of other groups that directly conflict with Isis.

So let's declare war on Isis. That will lead to the internment and big brother watch of Muslims, which will move to anyone considered in league with them like "leftists" and "liberals" who are people the right wing fanatics on this board have repeatedly called traitors and deserve death. Utterly fucking disgusting.

And then what? We attack any country that has Muslims? I mean holy fuck, it's such a stupidly thought out concept that I'm shocked it's even brought up. This is what happens when fanatics with a third grade education take control of political discussions. Nothing but fucking madness.

"I'm killing infidels in the name of Allah. PBUH"
"Nah huh"
"Really, I'm a terrorist!"
"Naah, you're just misunderstood."
"But I just killed all these people!?!!"
"It's all Christianitys fault"
"Huh?"

 

[sloppypie]

"I'm killing infidels in the name of Allah. PBUH"
"Nah huh"
"Really, I'm a terrorist!"
"Naah, you're just misunderstood."
"But I just killed all these people!?!!"
"It's all Christianitys fault"
"Huh?"

Not even remotely my position. But you've taken an enemy into a broader context that has bigger implications than your tiny brains care to digest.

This is America. We aren't just a country of white Christians. I get you live in isolation away from anyone that isn't this, but it's a reality. By declaring Muslim Americans the enemy, the only thing you do is isolate them and breed hatred and tension.

Even fucking bush understood this. I think conservatives are devolving to fucking cave men and are only going to be speaking in grunts and shaking their dicks at people.

 

[Fawlty]

That's a ridiculously low bar for complicity