Economy The most common kind of business in the UK is Buy-to-Let.

[A Very Serious Cat]

They seem to be prepared to concrete over the entire islands. Maybe we'll end up like Easter Island. You can't go anywhere without seeing acres of new housing on the edge of town. Although I still look forward to visiting other areas, the dread of this makes it unpleasant as well.

Despite all that building it's still not enough. Crazy isn't it

 

[avenue94]

More people means higher rent prices, it is a very simple formula. And if you haven't built enough housing but you're still bringing in immigrants, then your immigration policy is wrong. Also very simple.

More people also means increased supply of labor and lower labor costs for an industry.

Odd how whenever discussing migration people only calculate one side of the equation.

 

[Fossor]

More people also means increased supply of labor and lower labor costs for an industry.

Odd how whenever discussing migration people only calculate one side of the equation.

What industry? The Buy-to-Let industry?
The only odd thing here is you breaking into a conversation with a completly unrelated shite.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Well, that's just semantics.
The question is, how do leftists (in the sense of the word you mentioned) feel about making greedy landlords richer while thinking they are voting for a better future?

That's the joys of two party systems, you're fucked either way. That's why this is class warfare and not left Vs right.

 

[avenue94]

What industry? The Buy-to-Let industry?
The only odd thing here is you breaking into a conversation with a completly unrelated shite.

Is labor not one of the primary costs in home construction?

 

[Fossor]

That's the joys of two party systems, you're fucked either way. That's why this is class warfare and not left Vs right.

The only class warfare that is possible involves guns and killing people. So unless you're willing to shed blood, you won't change anything. But even if you do you won't come up with a better society. Many tried and failed miserably.

 

[Fossor]

Is labor not one of the primary costs in home construction?

Oh?! And where all these constructed houses?

 

[Siver!]

The only class warfare that is possible involves guns and killing people. So unless you're willing to shed blood, you won't change anything. But even if you do you won't come up with a better society. Many tried and failed miserably.

If people started a war against the rich, it wouldn't take long for another country to step in and liberate the billionaires with freedom bombs.

I'm partially joking.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

The only class warfare that is possible involves guns and killing people. So unless you're willing to shed blood, you won't change anything. But even if you do you won't come up with a better society. Many tried and failed miserably.

There's peaceful ways to revolt. But the anyway the point is if you only have two options then you're always voting for the lesser of two evils and you're not going to agree with everything the side you vote for stands for.

 

[avenue94]

Oh?! And where all these constructed houses?

I'd imagine you need to lobby your government and local communities to let new housing built, if the US is anything similar.

 

[Fossor]

If people started a war against the rich, it wouldn't take long for another country to step in and liberate the billionaires with freedom bombs.

I'm partially joking.

And don't forget lizards.

 

[Fossor]

There's peaceful ways to revolt. But the anyway the point is if you only have two options then you're always voting for the lesser of two evils and you're not going to agree with everything the side you vote for stands for.

This is only true if you know for sure which of them is the lesser evil. You should try moving to a communist country to gain experience.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Is labor not one of the primary costs in home construction?

I'm not sure the depressing effect of mass migration on construction worker costs comes close to offsetting the other effects, as reality has shown, especially not for the poor construction workers.

As an aside it's funny to see this argument as I swear I've seen people argue on here that mass migration doesn't negatively impact the wages of many worker

 

[The Big Yin]

Buy to let provides a service in it's basic form. Those who have the responsibility to pay the mortgage and maintenance on a property for those who wish rent with no ties or obligations.

The real issue is HMO and subletting. Buy a property on BTL and rent out each room as an individual premises.

One of the issues of Grenfell was they had no idea who was actually in the place. An enormous amount of the council owned properties were being sub letted out. An absolute cess pit of fraud in this country.

 

[Fossor]

I'd imagine you need to lobby your government and local communities to let new housing built, if the US is anything similar.

So you want to create a problem so you can solve it later? Isn't it easier to just not create it?

 

[Bubzeh]

The shit you lot fight over is petty.

But yeah fuck the vast majority of landlords.

Paying someone else’s mortgage couldn’t be me.

 

[avenue94]

I'm not sure the depressing effect of mass migration on construction worker costs comes close to offsetting the other effects, as reality has shown, especially not for the poor construction workers.

As an aside it's funny to see this argument as I swear I've seen people argue on here that mass migration doesn't negatively impact the wages of many worker

Is there a study you're talking about? Because by and large migrants and natives don't compete for the same jobs, at least in the US.

So you want to create a problem so you can solve it later? Isn't it easier to just not create it?

It seems to me like the UK has as shortage of labor for construction. So you have to scale up construction and labor at the same time, otherwise you end up with even higher construction and therefore home costs.

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Is there a study you're talking about? Because by and large migrants and natives don't compete for the same jobs, at least in the US.

It seems to me like the UK has as shortage of labor for construction. So you have to scale up construction and labor at the same time, otherwise you end up with even higher construction and therefore home costs.

What do you mean a study? I agree with you that migration reduces wages but the reality of what has been happening in the UK shows its not enough to combat the increasing housing and rental markets.

 

[avenue94]

What do you mean a study? I agree with you that migration reduces wages but the reality of what has been happening in the UK shows its not enough to combat the increasing housing and rental markets.

You're arguing that migrants depress native wages, I'm asking you to provide an economic source on it. Because the reality is rarely that straight forward, and it's one of the more studied aspects of labor economics.

 

[Fossor]

It seems to me like the UK has as shortage of labor for construction. So you have to scale up construction and labor at the same time, otherwise you end up with even higher construction and therefore home costs.

Which is exactly what I said. They're clearly bringing in the wrong people or they don't know how to use them. I heard that asylum seekers get free houses.