Social The Mentally Ill Have Too Many Rights

[HARRISON_3]

 

[moreorless87]

I get that it's a problem for some people, but I would much rather have a system that errs on the side of personal freedom than the other direction. I don't want anyone having the right to involuntarily commit someone because they're being a bit loopy or self destructive. Too many subjective judgment calls and too much power in the hands of the government/mental health professionals that way.

Really I think the problem is that both extremes are cheaper to do compared to a well funded system with transparent accountability.

 

[Noveltymortar]

Really I think the problem is that both extremes are cheaper to do compared to a well funded system with transparent accountability.

Since we live in a world with finite resources and not even doctors are infallible, I don't see a good alternative to the current system. In an ideal world, yes, a more balanced approach would be great. In reality there are too many variable for me to trust a system that would allow involuntary commitment upon an individual that hadn't directly posed a threat either to himself or someone else.

 

[moreorless87]

Since we live in a world with finite resources and not even doctors are infallible, I don't see a good alternative to the current system. In an ideal world, yes, a more balanced approach would be great. In reality there are too many variable for me to trust a system that would allow involuntary commitment upon an individual that hadn't directly posed a threat either to himself or someone else.

The current medical system in the US espeically is pretty massively inefficient in favour of making vast profits for big business and generally vast amounts of resources are in the hands of a tiny percentage of the population.

 

[DragRacer]

In some places you can get fined or even jailed for referring to one of the mentally ill with the wrong pronoun.

 

[Patrick Jane]

 

[ICHEERTHEBULL]

In some places you can get fined or even jailed for referring to one of the mentally ill with the wrong pronoun.

I seriously doubt you’d get jail for using the wrong pronoun for a mentally ill person. Obviously you will get into trouble at work or wherever if you refer to someone with a mental illness as a fucking retard or something but that’s very different to what you’re implying

 

[rellikoge]

I get not being able to be committed to an insane asylum by people who just want to be rid of you, but the laws have gone too far in the other direction. Mental illness can completely destroy someone's life and livelihood but unless they're a "physical threat of harm to themselves or others," literally all you can do is sit and watch their life go down the toilet. I've seen people completely off their rocker lose businesses, homes, relationships, etc but because they don't meet that physical harm criteria, nothing can be done for them unless they voluntarily accept it and they never do.

Mad truth. I have a friend who went bonkers due to messiah complex combined with schiz. He likes his disorder and won't get help voluntary. So now he is living on the streets and beaches here in Hawaii on a jesus trip trying to save anything alive and trying to start a cult or religion to overthrow the system. Friggin nuts.

 

[Lubaolong]

Seems to depends on what state you're in. I've only seen operations in four states, but the way the laws are enforced are insanely different. In some states, it's super hard to hospitalize someone against their will and force medications. In other states, you can hospitalize just about anyone.

 

[Lubaolong]

They really should bring back the asylums.

 

[Crawler89]

Yeah but no one's a danger to themselves until they are. What if it happens when no ones around?

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/obituary/6641057/justin-a-lowe-after-burial-dead

Dude quit his world touring band over some SERIOUSLY crazy and elaborate delusions of persecution. Nothing could be done for him even though everyone he knew knew he'd lost his mind. Ended up jumping off a bridge.

that one was hard, i had only met him and the band a few months before.
He was the one that approached me in the bar (their first tour in aus) cause i was wearing an atb shirt he hadnt seen anyone wearing before and then i got to stand in front of him and watch him jam all night and meet the rest of the band.
dude was insanely friendly and cool that night.

then bam gone.

 

[deadshot138]

They really should bring back the asylums.

They think it's a good optic to do away with the asylums and pack everyone into group homes throughout the city.

 

[deadshot138]

that one was hard, i had only met him and the band a few months before.
He was the one that approached me in the bar (their first tour in aus) cause i was wearing an atb shirt he hadnt seen anyone wearing before and then i got to stand in front of him and watch him jam all night and meet the rest of the band.
dude was insanely friendly and cool that night.

then bam gone.

I was fortunate enough to see them live when they supported Wolves Within being released. Great show and amazing musicians. Couldn't believe it when I'd read what happened.

 

[abject]

I get not being able to be committed to an insane asylum by people who just want to be rid of you, but the laws have gone too far in the other direction. Mental illness can completely destroy someone's life and livelihood but unless they're a "physical threat of harm to themselves or others," literally all you can do is sit and watch their life go down the toilet. I've seen people completely off their rocker lose businesses, homes, relationships, etc but because they don't meet that physical harm criteria, nothing can be done for them unless they voluntarily accept it and they never do.

Problem is. Likely half the population is mentally ill. People murder each other, drop bombs on civilians in the middle east, etc.

 

[Mike]

Nah I like having the few rights I do have, fuck that.

 

[Dan Torrance]

I seriously doubt you’d get jail for using the wrong pronoun for a mentally ill person. Obviously you will get into trouble at work or wherever if you refer to someone with a mental illness as a fucking retard or something but that’s very different to what you’re implying

oh gawd... I just imagined him working with a guy with down syndrome and getting all bent out of shape for not being able to call him retard instead of his name.

 

[mozfonky]

ANd yet BRitney Spears cant even spend her own money, due to conservatorship, and she never harmed anyone, just shaved her head and had bad taste in men

that bitch went crazy

 

[mozfonky]

if your talking rights as far as social power and being respected and treated like a human being, they have little. back in the 80's they had a huge drive to shutdown or at least cut down the capacity of insane asylums. Reagan was behind it and it's tragic for the individual and for society. there have been many cases of some schizophrenic hammering or stabbing someone in a fit of paranoia. however, when they were trying to normalize psychotics in the 80's they were saying that they weren't anymore violent than the general population, that was a lie.

 

[mozfonky]

I agree. My sister is schizo and my parents have bankrupted themselves trying to help her.

But any type of rehab or hospital she's ever been in, she just leaves whenever she wants. The longest they ever kept her was on a temporary hold I think it was 3 days and then they deemed her not a danger to anyone and they let her leave.

But she can't hold a job or take care of herself. she can't even hold a conversation anymore. She basically wanders the streets acting crazy. Sometimes stays the night with family and other times sleeps in some drug dealers trailer or some bum's tent.

Wish we could lock her up in a mental hospital where at the very least they could force her to take her meds and keep her from doing drugs

used to be the other way, a relative could make a claim and get someone locked up. sometimes it was right, sometimes wrong but it sure could cause havoc in family relationships. joe louis was committed by his son and I don't think he ever forgave him.

 

[mozfonky]

So sorry to hear. Sounds atrocious.

it's really sad when it's a woman, especially if she's attractive, when i see that i just think of how many no good men out there who would prey on them. I know it happens.