The Mendes Bros on Self Defense [Video]

[Matsukaze]

Anyone know if Henry Akins trains with Kron at Ricksons academy?

 

[brendan raedy]

Henry Akins:

Wow!

So I had no idea the post yesterday would get so much attention. My Intention in posting it was not to criticize the individual but explain what could have been done differently in that situation to keep the BJJ practitioner "safe".

IT IS NOT HIS FAULT for how he reacted, he reacted how he normally trains at the gym. Thankfully he did not get hurt and that is the most important thing. BUT, also he was in a lot of danger, and watching the video there were several times I was really scared for him.. like when he got picked up and slammed, and when he lost the back and the guy ended up on top in his guard.

What it comes down to is the strategy and mindset you use when you train. I will be posting some videos in the next few weeks to help those that are interested in understanding the mindset and strategy I use to train the students at my gym wwwDynamixMMA.com

Here is a video to start things off, and again my intention here is to help the community, to pass on some of the knowledge I was blessed with. We are all brothers and sisters who share the same passion.

This totally misses the point the entire conflict could have been avoided if these grown men did not act like 15 year old meatheads.

Once you get into a street fight you open yourself up for others jumping in, weapons being pulled, or charges being filed. Regardless of your "strategy and mindset."

 

[BJJ_Rage]

What hard evidence?

Hard evidence would be anybody who actually trains at AOJ confirming such events. Or even secondhand confirmation -- someone who knows someone who trains there.

There was nothing like that.

Just assuming someone obscure guy's identity (who conveniently lives in Brazil so probably can't read English to figure out what is going on) is not hard evidence.

the lawyer, gui not doing seminars, im pretty sure he was brazilian, the name of the obscure bjj black belt who happened to be a jjj black belt was for real, the post being taken down, I dont know, I dont remember correctly all the info he passed, but I remember thinking damn this couldve actually happened.

 

[Balto]

the lawyer, gui not doing seminars, im pretty sure he was brazilian, the name of the obscure bjj black belt who happened to be a jjj black belt was for real, the post being taken down, I dont know, I dont remember correctly all the info he passed, but I remember thinking damn this couldve actually happened.

Gui not doing seminars before major tournaments is normal. That's how he carves the time for training.

All the rest was pretty easily available information to someone who wanted to pull off an elaborate troll job.

I mean, from the story, this dude supposedly punched Gui in the face in the middle of a class. Classes at AOJ are pretty big.

Yet somehow nobody from AOJ said this was true, even with some sort of anonymous account on here?

That does not make any sense.

The post was likely deleted because it was obviously false, not because it was true.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Gui not doing seminars before major tournaments is normal. That's how he carves the time for training.

All the rest was pretty easily available information to someone who wanted to pull off an elaborate troll job.

I mean, from the story, this dude supposedly punched Gui in the face in the middle of a class. Classes at AOJ are pretty big.

Yet somehow nobody from AOJ said this was true, even with some sort of anonymous account on here?

That does not make any sense.

The post was likely deleted because it was obviously false, not because it was true.

well, yeah but I didnt see any aoj guys saying it wasnt true... I dont know what toothless said, did he deny it or not?

 

[Balto]

well, yeah but I didnt see any aoj guys saying it wasnt true... I dont know what toothless said, did he deny it or not?

Yes, he denied it completely.

 

[Zankou]

Are you guys really having that discussion in this thread?

 

[100%Jiu-Jitsu]

Dude, im actually not sure about that... I think the dude provided lots of hard evidence on his favor.. I dont know, but if it was a troll job, was the best Ive seen...

Did anyone ever translate the youtube message he posted? Is the guy a native speaker or not?

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Did anyone ever translate the youtube message he posted? Is the guy a native speaker or not?

the guy speaking in the video is 100% a native speaker, but as ridiculous this seems to be, it sounds exactly like a very well known soccer broadcaster... weird.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Yes, he denied it completely.

ok, I didnt know that...

 

[100%Jiu-Jitsu]

the guy speaking in the video is 100% a native speaker, but as ridiculous this seems to be, it sounds exactly like a very well known soccer broadcaster... weird.

That's pretty damn weird.

How distinctive is the broadcaster's voice? Do you think that "Ronin" just sounds like him? Or do you think that he and Ronin are the same person?

 

[biscuitsbrah]

Thats like hating on kyokushin for self-defense because they dont punch in the face. And in street fights they punch in the face

 

[Mike Piekarski]

I can't speak for Henry Akins but I've talked to him about jiu jitsu and in his mind people should be taught the martial art of jiu jitsu not the sport. This is why he is so outspoken about the "sport vs self defense" debate that has been going on for months. My guess is that he feels jiu jitsu is being watered down. He has shown me techniques I probably should have learned at white belt that I've never seen with 9 years of jiu jitsu training.

Btw I've rolled with Henry Akins and he is most likely the BEST person I've ever rolled with, which includes Black belts who are current UFC fighters and known competitive sport grappling black belts.

 

[SBJ]

 

[Codger]

I find it hard to argue with much that they're (the Valente Bros) saying in that video.

Pure sport BJJ is severely lacking in takedown skills and standup in general (at a lot of places), has zero accounting for punches, starts 90% of practice from the knees, doesn't teach any striking or kicking, encourages guard pulling, doesn't teach awareness or verbal skills, doesn't even address much in the way of some standup grappling scenarios like headlocks.

Whilst sport BJJ is likely to give you an edge in terms of fights going to the ground and fighting fitness, it's way off being optimal. So if that's of concern to you then don't fool yourself that your sports BJJ makes you a tough guy.

How interested one is in training street scenarios is entirely down the individual of course. I'd like a bit of both personally.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

That's pretty damn weird.

How distinctive is the broadcaster's voice? Do you think that "Ronin" just sounds like him? Or do you think that he and Ronin are the same person?

I dont know... but they sound really alike

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starts at 0:08

 

[Shemhazai]

I find it hard to argue with much that they're (the Valente Bros) saying in that video.

Pure sport BJJ is severely lacking in takedown skills and standup in general (at a lot of places), has zero accounting for punches, starts 90% of practice from the knees, doesn't teach any striking or kicking, encourages guard pulling, doesn't teach awareness or verbal skills, doesn't even address much in the way of some standup grappling scenarios like headlocks.

Whilst sport BJJ is likely to give you an edge in terms of fights going to the ground and fighting fitness, it's way off being optimal. So if that's of concern to you then don't fool yourself that your sports BJJ makes you a tough guy.

How interested one is in training street scenarios is entirely down the individual of course. I'd like a bit of both personally.

Well, sport BJJ does make you a tough guy. Not the toughest, but certainly tougher than a version of yourself who doesn't do any combat sport or fighting. However, apart from that toughness, the ability to prevail vs. someone you can get to the ground, and some grip fighting/basic TD ability, you'll be pretty clueless in a street fight as a pure modern sport BJJ guy. Your level of skill in the most practical ranges of fighting for self defense is far from optimal.

 

[SBJ]

I find it hard to argue with much that they're (the Valente Bros) saying in that video.

Pure sport BJJ is severely lacking in takedown skills and standup in general (at a lot of places), has zero accounting for punches, starts 90% of practice from the knees, doesn't teach any striking or kicking, encourages guard pulling, doesn't teach awareness or verbal skills, doesn't even address much in the way of some standup grappling scenarios like headlocks.

Whilst sport BJJ is likely to give you an edge in terms of fights going to the ground and fighting fitness, it's way off being optimal. So if that's of concern to you then don't fool yourself that your sports BJJ makes you a tough guy.

How interested one is in training street scenarios is entirely down the individual of course. I'd like a bit of both personally.

Solid points.

From: FatBuddha (UG)

Remember I'm not just talking about the ground, but comprehensively training the following 5 areas of self defense (my own terminology):

1. Fighting Stance - striking, defending strikes, entering the clinch, distance management

2. The clinch - the complete repertoire of throws and takedowns accounting for the possibility of strikes being thrown, and delivering your own strikes

3. Face to Face Confrontation Training: both people are not in a fighting stance yet and the verbal confrontation is escalating

4. Sudden Attack Training: you are suddenly grabbed in a hold in some manner i.e. a headlock, a choke from behind - do you know all the ways to escape technically against a much larger opponent?

5. The ground - against strikes, slams, and unskilled chokes in all positions.

Once you comprehensively know how to defend these areas, then you move onto phase II (additional skilled attacks), and then phase III (counters to all these skilled attacks). Sport guys really focus on phases II and III. Phase I is a lot to train and needs to be kept up with all the time.

Unlike most self defense schools, I believe all these areas must be trained not only cooperatively but sparred with approaching as full resistance as possible to do safely.

To me, this is the optimal training progression for self defense

 

[Gambledub]

the guy speaking in the video is 100% a native speaker, but as ridiculous this seems to be, it sounds exactly like a very well known soccer broadcaster... weird.

That's pretty damn weird.

How distinctive is the broadcaster's voice? Do you think that "Ronin" just sounds like him? Or do you think that he and Ronin are the same person?

I don't know. Admittedly I don't speak Portuguese but to me that video always sounded computer generated. I forget the name of the software, but it's very common in music production. I used to have it. Take this for example...

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0.00 - 0.36 and 1.12-1.20

See how it sounds like a native english speaker, but the tone and inflection sounds... off? That's what Ronins video always reminded me of. He must know some Portuguese to get the sentence structure correct etc but the software could handle the pronunciation.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

I don't know. Admittedly I don't speak Portuguese but to me that video always sounded computer generated. I forget the name of the software, but it's very common in music production. I used to have it. Take this for example...

[YT]gkwpXipZUoE[/YT]

0.00 - 0.36 and 1.12-1.20

See how it sounds like a native english speaker, but the tone and inflection sounds... off? That's what Ronins video always reminded me of. He must know some Portuguese to get the sentence structure correct etc but the software could handle the pronunciation.

it could totally be, the voice is a known voice and it sounds like hes reading something...