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Eat a Snickers bar. You're one of the few contrarians. Everyone else all over the internet likes Mandalorian. I saw an article that said Rotten Tomato gave it a 100%, which I'm assuming is good and rare.

If you were the Disney CEO, we'd get nothing. You'd cancel Mandalorian Season 2. Equating Mandalorian to dog shit Resistance was really over the top bonkers. No one bought Resistance action figures and they were marked down for clearance. Everyone's wanting Mandalorian and Baby Yoda toys.
Wow. You just cited RottenTomatoes-- in service of a Disney property, no less.

It took the internet a while to realize what had become of their other beloved series, too. It always does. Arrow is another example. People have difficulty gaining critical distance from characters they love, and this series has loveable characters, but that won't spare it if it doesn't get a grip, and tether the logistics of the narrative to the anchor of substance that makes the Star Wars universe so enduring.

It's treating death and impossible odds with no respect. That's going full comic book. You never go full comic book.
 
Everyone always tells me I'm being overly critical, and then a season or two later they're forced to accept I was ahead of the curve. Happened with Dexter and The Walking Dead.

Clone Wars giving the clones deeper characterization and attentiveness is exactly what set it apart. It's vastly superior to this series. Sure, there are likeable characters, and the overall thrust of plot is well crafted, but the execution is so clumsy and mindlessly forced that it renders this stuff obsolete. It's succumbing to maudlin sap, now, too. When the series started it looked like Disney was going to manage the extraordinary feat of creating a gritty series that was still family friendly. That mirage has evaporated.

It's astonishing to me how production value pulls the wool over people's eyes. Petey was right. This series is Hercules or Xena: Warrior Princess set in the Star Wars universe.

Um, what. This season was good. Game of Thrones' first 4 1/2 seasons were good, it doesn't make anybody an idiot that they enjoyed those seasons and thought the other 3 1/2 were stupid. And you're making this post in a Star Wars thread where the first 3 movies were good, the next 3 were dubious, and the 3 after were wtfuckery. You pretty much gave the cynical 13 year old just discovered mortality "We're all going to die, why bother enjoying living? I know how this will end fools!" argument.
 
Wow. You just cited RottenTomatoes-- in service of a Disney property, no less.

It took the internet a while to realize what had become of their other beloved series, too. It always does. Arrow is another example. People have difficulty gaining critical distance from characters they love, and this series has loveable characters, but that won't spare it if it doesn't get a grip, and tether the logistics of the narrative to the anchor of substance that makes the Star Wars universe so enduring.

It's treating death and impossible odds with no respect. That's going full comic book. You never go full comic book.

I think the issue is you have done a fair amount of complaining about the series and finale in your posts here but offered no specifics or examples of what makes it so bad. Besides something vague about “logistics”. So if you want folks to take you seriously that this episode was complete garbage 2 out of 10 then articulate what made it total trash.
 
Um, what. This season was good. Game of Thrones' first 4 1/2 seasons were good, it doesn't make anybody an idiot that they enjoyed those seasons and thought the other 3 1/2 were stupid. And you're making this post in a Star Wars thread where the first 3 movies were good, the next 3 were dubious, and the 3 after were wtfuckery. You pretty much gave the cynical 13 year old just discovered mortality "We're all going to die, why bother enjoying living? I know how this will end fools!" argument.
This is exactly what I'm talking about-- thank you for proving my point!

"The internet" was largely still calling it the greatest show that ever was through most of the 7th season, and definitely through the 6th. It was only after the 8th season that broke our hearts where we collectively gained the critical distance to admit it had been off the rails for longer than that; as can be observed by you just trashing the 8th, 7th, 6th, and second half of the 5th seasons.

Clearly you failed to comprehend what I've written. I'm not saying it's good, and it's going to be bad. I'm saying it's already gone bad, but Baby Yoda is so cute, Kuill so noble, and the conceit of man protecting baby so timelessly primal, that it is going to take the internet a while to catch up and accept that it has already lost its way.

I couldn't have asked for a better post to substantiate the crux of my argument.
 
This is exactly what I'm talking about-- thank you for proving my point!

"The internet" was largely still calling it the greatest show that ever was through most of the 7th season, and definitely through the 6th. It was only after the 8th season that broke our hearts where we collectively gained the critical distance to admit it had been off the rails for longer than that; as can be observed by you just trashing the 8th, 7th, 6th, and second half of the 5th seasons.

Clearly you failed to comprehend what I've written. I'm not saying it's good, and it's going to be bad. I'm saying it's already gone bad, but Baby Yoda is so cute, Kuill so noble, and the conceit of man protecting baby so timelessly primal, that it is going to take the internet a while to catch up and accept that it has already lost its way.

I couldn't have asked for a better post to substantiate the crux of my argument.

Stopped reading at “the whole internet was calling it the greatest TV ever”. You’re just making shit up now.
 
This is exactly what I'm talking about-- thank you for proving my point!

"The internet" was largely still calling it the greatest show that ever was through most of the 7th season, and definitely through the 6th. It was only after the 8th season that broke our hearts where we collectively gained the critical distance to admit it had been off the rails for longer than that; as can be observed by you just trashing the 8th, 7th, 6th, and second half of the 5th seasons.

Clearly you failed to comprehend what I've written. I'm not saying it's good, and it's going to be bad. I'm saying it's already gone bad, but Baby Yoda is so cute, Kuill so noble, and the conceit of man protecting baby so timelessly primal, that it is going to take the internet a while to catch up and accept that it has already lost its way.

I couldn't have asked for a better post to substantiate the crux of my argument.

I'm not the guy who nitpicks the show like I had an epiphany about realistic physics in Star Wars. You're going to be mad when you see that the millenium falcon can fly in the atmosphere with no wings. This is not my first rodeo in sci-fi or television.

I'm pretty sure I have posts on here calling the Battle of the Bastards a stupid episode after it aired. But 1-4 and half of 5, I like those a lot. Hardhome was terrific. And I watched the series to the end. But the fact that 6-8 were trash, doesn't mean that 1-4 were bad in hindsight. They exist as good seasons.

You trying to get "ahead of the curve" is a dumb argument because it tries to say because a part was bad it negates another part. Me comparing your argument to a cynical teenager is right on the money. Again, we're in a Star Wars thread and people don't look back at the 4-6 and say they suck because 7-9 blow. Even if Mandalorian goes off the rails in season 4 or whatever people will still look back on this season and go "Yeah, that was a good 1st season." Baby Yoda was so cute and Mandalorians were cool. So your argument is still bad. Your argument is bad now, it will be bad tomorrow, and it will be bad forever.
 
I think the issue is you have done a fair amount of complaining about the series and finale in your posts here but offered no specifics or examples of what makes it so bad. Besides something vague about “logistics”. So if you want folks to take you seriously that this episode was complete garbage 2 out of 10 then make an intelligent argument about what made it total trash.
Others have done that for me.

(1) The storm troopers who killed Kuill stopping to ask permission before coming back into town when Gideon just revealed he already knew exactly what they were doing. One could forgive this, as it is a critique of bureaucracy, which is quintessentially Star Wars, but it makes little sense for them to be delayed when they have been assigned such the most critical job for which Gideon arrived. Even bureaucratic troopers afraid of Gideon's wrath would be eager to convey their successful return, and deliver that victory. The IG droid covered that distance to catch them in an unrealistic amount of time.

(2) The IG Droid rides into the town with the baby to attack multiple platoons of troopers. While droids are stupid, so we may accept that an assassin droid twists "nurture and protect' into "exterminate all threats", since nurture and protect are now his primary directive, it makes little sense that he would calculate the scenarios, and expose the baby to that level of danger. He would first hide the baby, then proceed to attack and exterminate the threat. Otherwise, it makes about as much sense as riding into the heart of a Death Star with the baby because there are still surviving storm troopers on that ship.

(3) After the ambush, our heroes sprint from cover to fight an overwhelming force in the open. It's awful battle tactics. Just awful.

(4) Just before that, Mando says the only reason the band of heroes inside are still alive is because the baby must have gotten away despite that Kuill didn't answer-- otherwise they would already be dead. Okay, first, if the only thing Gideon cares about is the baby, and would kill the rest of them if he knew they didn't have it, then why was he opening fire on both his the resident imperial troops and our band of heroes in the previous episode? If we are to presume that Gideon believes them inside are in possession of the baby, and is unaware the baby is riding away from the city with Kuill, having not intercepted Mando's radio transmission, then why did he kill his own imperial troops? If he intended to kill them to take credit, then why not let The Client simply deliver him the baby first, and then betray his rival (and loyal soldiers) after letting them do the legwork of putting it in his hands? That makes a whole lot more sense than killing those who are working to bring him the baby while exposing the baby to potentially lethal blaster fire from an entire platoon, when it is clearly his objective to capture the baby instead of kill it.

(4a) Moreover along this point, if he assumes the baby is inside, then why would he send a flamethrower trooper to "burn them out"? That's a second instance of exposing the most precious asset to explicitly lethal force. Furthermore, if the trooper knew his job was to only burn them out, not kill them, then why does he target them directly with his flame cannon?

(4b) In the previous episode he said the baby would be his "within moments". So why give them until nightfall? Also, why set up the eweb cannon? That's a bluff so obvious that he would know those inside wouldn't fail to espy it. If he was willing to kill them all, he would kill them all right away. He has that force at his disposal. His goal is to procure the infant alive. There's nothing to be gained by giving them such a short amount of time to submit. This isn't a siege. You aren't breaking them with hunger.

(4c) So Baby Yoda turns the flame back on that trooper, and kills him. When does the Empire give a shit about one dead trooper? They wouldn't stop from that. The next wave of penetration would be right on them.

(5) Mando suffers a close-range explosion so great that he is certain he would die if untreated. At a minimum it's a concussion on par with a major car wreck. This incident exists solely to create drama between him and the droids he so despises. So, he's going to die, but all it takes is a little bacta spray to save him? No warrior in the universe would be oblivious to bacta, but never before have seen bacta treat such a serious injury in such a short amount of time. A few minutes later he's walking like nothing happened, and an hour or so later, he's jetpacking to pull off an absurd battle maneuver against Gideon. It's a cheap, forced, moment of histrionically stoic drama.

(6) So they flee into the Mandalorian hideout, but once inside, they take the time for a nice long chat with the armorer inside? They are on the run, and they realize they have an overwhelming force hot on their heels. It's silly. It's not story time.

(7) About story time: Mandalorians certainly have a strange sense of honor, like Samurai or Spartans, that defies reason at times, but why is it "the way" to restore an infant sorcerer to an ancient enemy? The Mandalorians hate the Jedi. The Jedi represent a way of life they despise, and Mandalorians are ruthless conquerors. They're like the conquistadors swinging Native American babies by their legs to smash their heads against rocks. If he is inducted as a Mandalorian they wouldn't relinquish him to the Jedi. They have claimed him.

(8) The most pointless scene in the whole episode. The armorer is surrounded by five storm troopers, and kills them all with forging tools. Not only is this dumb, it misses the point. She's by herself. She can't hold that place by herself against an Imperial presence. Staying behind was her choosing an honorable death, but this show is too cheap, and weasels out of that with an unrealistic kung fu moment. At least give me booby traps. That could make her stand more realistic, but if we aren't being logistically retarded, her sense of honor doesn't override the rules of the universe. A stubborn refusal to leave a stronghold out of sentimental (or utilitarian) attachment doesn't give you superpowers. This is like those crazy people who refuse to leave their house as a 200-year flood descends upon them. Cool, you love your house too much to leave, but that doesn't mean you aren't going to drown.

(9) They ride down the river of lava. Apparently they needed to the R2 droid to get moving, but not only is it unable to fulfill a simple command to stop, even though it could start, but blowing its head off doesn't stop the boat when it was the one moving the boat. Interedasting. I guess we needed to create a flimsy excuse to force the IG Droid's heroic end.

(9a) Storm troopers who have had the benefit of setting up an ambush point decide to all stand as close together as possible, and yet none of them fires when it's clear the Droid doesn't have the asset. I'm so sick of this, and it's the sort of thing you only see in garbage comic book shows, or unrealistic low-rent kung fu productions. Trained soldiers with ranged weapons continually squander their weapon's entire reason for existing. No, let's make a nice close circle like we did with armorer lady for a cool Aikido display. Let's come at her one by one! Let's not use our guns to stand out of range, and just shoot that person to death if he/she moves.

(10) The worst of all. Gideon rides in with a Tie Fighter, but without any AA whatsoever, our heroes can stand up to air superiority. My God. Sure, he isn't aware of the Jet Pack. More problematically, though, once again, he shows zero consideration for Baby Yoda's life. If the point is to capture the baby then firing indiscriminately on a group he is in is once again counterproductive to the most critical objective justifying his presence.
 
@Madmick Bro, it's a show for kids. There's no need to dissect every single action taken by both sides...it's a sci fi fairy tale for kids and it's going to tug on some heart strings to make them feel something for the characters. The show has been fun although there's definitely some silly things going on. It's Star Wars so there's always silly things going on. Overall it has been entertaining and I've enjoyed it.
 
@Madmick Bro, it's a show for kids. There's no need to dissect every single action taken by both sides...it's a sci fi fairy tale for kids and it's going to tug on some heart strings to make them feel something for the characters. The show has been fun although there's definitely some silly things going on. It's Star Wars so there's always silly things going on. Overall it has been entertaining and I've enjoyed it.
Indeed, it's a show for kids. That was my earlier point. That's where Star Wars began, but not every work in the franchise has been so; even some of those which are still kid-friendly.

To its credit, with Favreau and Filoni helming it, so far it has gotten most of the big stuff right. It hasn't raped the core spirit of the universe the way TLJ did.
 
Indeed, it's a show for kids. That was my earlier point. That's where Star Wars began, but not every work in the franchise has been so; even some of those which are still kid-friendly.

To its credit, with Favreau and Filoni helming it, so far it has gotten most of the big stuff right. It hasn't raped the core spirit of the universe the way TLJ did.

This is my feeling as well...definitely still silly, definitely still for kids, but not super corny/cheesy/god awful like TLJ. I have a large amount of respect for Favreau (sp?) and how well he handled The Mandalorian.
 
And the Mandolorians in Rebels were always taking off their helmets. Really silly thing to invent at this stage.
Maybe the Mando’s in Rebels and Clone Wars were the new age civilized Mando’s compared to the warlike ones we get from Legends?

Everything in Legends suggest Mando’s were more in line with our boy. So maybe the purge has made them revert back to the old ways?
 
So Moff just stood there and picked his shots at Mando lol. Also Mando not going over to confirm the kill (could have improvised this part). And them being held up in that house was stretched out. Overall, great season but ending could've been better.
 
And the Mandolorians in Rebels were always taking off their helmets. Really silly thing to invent at this stage.
I had a read up about Mandalorians after finishing the series and from what i can tell, the Mandalorian culture seen in Rebels had been split with one side standing for modern, more pacifist ideals and the opposing faction wanting to return to their traditional ways. I'm not sure for how long the new Mandalorian way of life had been in place but it seems to have led to a civil war between new and old.

Rebels begins 14 years before and concludes 9 years before the Mandalorian series.

What we see of the Mandalorians in the Mandalorian series appears to be the remnants of the traditionalists. No idea what happened to the modernists but they may well be living in enclaves like the group we see in the series.
 
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Anyone else think the last shot of Moff Fring was a homage to Vader?;)
 
Others have done that for me.

(1) The storm troopers who killed Kuill stopping to ask permission before coming back into town when Gideon just revealed he already knew exactly what they were doing. One could forgive this, as it is a critique of bureaucracy, which is quintessentially Star Wars, but it makes little sense for them to be delayed when they have been assigned such the most critical job for which Gideon arrived. Even bureaucratic troopers afraid of Gideon's wrath would be eager to convey their successful return, and deliver that victory. The IG droid covered that distance to catch them in an unrealistic amount of time.

(2) The IG Droid rides into the town with the baby to attack multiple platoons of troopers. While droids are stupid, so we may accept that an assassin droid twists "nurture and protect' into "exterminate all threats", since nurture and protect are now his primary directive, it makes little sense that he would calculate the scenarios, and expose the baby to that level of danger. He would first hide the baby, then proceed to attack and exterminate the threat. Otherwise, it makes about as much sense as riding into the heart of a Death Star with the baby because there are still surviving storm troopers on that ship.

(3) After the ambush, our heroes sprint from cover to fight an overwhelming force in the open. It's awful battle tactics. Just awful.

(4) Just before that, Mando says the only reason the band of heroes inside are still alive is because the baby must have gotten away despite that Kuill didn't answer-- otherwise they would already be dead. Okay, first, if the only thing Gideon cares about is the baby, and would kill the rest of them if he knew they didn't have it, then why was he opening fire on both his the resident imperial troops and our band of heroes in the previous episode? If we are to presume that Gideon believes them inside are in possession of the baby, and is unaware the baby is riding away from the city with Kuill, having not intercepted Mando's radio transmission, then why did he kill his own imperial troops? If he intended to kill them to take credit, then why not let The Client simply deliver him the baby first, and then betray his rival (and loyal soldiers) after letting them do the legwork of putting it in his hands? That makes a whole lot more sense than killing those who are working to bring him the baby while exposing the baby to potentially lethal blaster fire from an entire platoon, when it is clearly his objective to capture the baby instead of kill it.

(4a) Moreover along this point, if he assumes the baby is inside, then why would he send a flamethrower trooper to "burn them out"? That's a second instance of exposing the most precious asset to explicitly lethal force. Furthermore, if the trooper knew his job was to only burn them out, not kill them, then why does he target them directly with his flame cannon?

(4b) In the previous episode he said the baby would be his "within moments". So why give them until nightfall? Also, why set up the eweb cannon? That's a bluff so obvious that he would know those inside wouldn't fail to espy it. If he was willing to kill them all, he would kill them all right away. He has that force at his disposal. His goal is to procure the infant alive. There's nothing to be gained by giving them such a short amount of time to submit. This isn't a siege. You aren't breaking them with hunger.

(4c) So Baby Yoda turns the flame back on that trooper, and kills him. When does the Empire give a shit about one dead trooper? They wouldn't stop from that. The next wave of penetration would be right on them.

(5) Mando suffers a close-range explosion so great that he is certain he would die if untreated. At a minimum it's a concussion on par with a major car wreck. This incident exists solely to create drama between him and the droids he so despises. So, he's going to die, but all it takes is a little bacta spray to save him? No warrior in the universe would be oblivious to bacta, but never before have seen bacta treat such a serious injury in such a short amount of time. A few minutes later he's walking like nothing happened, and an hour or so later, he's jetpacking to pull off an absurd battle maneuver against Gideon. It's a cheap, forced, moment of histrionically stoic drama.

(6) So they flee into the Mandalorian hideout, but once inside, they take the time for a nice long chat with the armorer inside? They are on the run, and they realize they have an overwhelming force hot on their heels. It's silly. It's not story time.

(7) About story time: Mandalorians certainly have a strange sense of honor, like Samurai or Spartans, that defies reason at times, but why is it "the way" to restore an infant sorcerer to an ancient enemy? The Mandalorians hate the Jedi. The Jedi represent a way of life they despise, and Mandalorians are ruthless conquerors. They're like the conquistadors swinging Native American babies by their legs to smash their heads against rocks. If he is inducted as a Mandalorian they wouldn't relinquish him to the Jedi. They have claimed him.

(8) The most pointless scene in the whole episode. The armorer is surrounded by five storm troopers, and kills them all with forging tools. Not only is this dumb, it misses the point. She's by herself. She can't hold that place by herself against an Imperial presence. Staying behind was her choosing an honorable death, but this show is too cheap, and weasels out of that with an unrealistic kung fu moment. At least give me booby traps. That could make her stand more realistic, but if we aren't being logistically retarded, her sense of honor doesn't override the rules of the universe. A stubborn refusal to leave a stronghold out of sentimental (or utilitarian) attachment doesn't give you superpowers. This is like those crazy people who refuse to leave their house as a 200-year flood descends upon them. Cool, you love your house too much to leave, but that doesn't mean you aren't going to drown.

(9) They ride down the river of lava. Apparently they needed to the R2 droid to get moving, but not only is it unable to fulfill a simple command to stop, even though it could start, but blowing its head off doesn't stop the boat when it was the one moving the boat. Interedasting. I guess we needed to create a flimsy excuse to force the IG Droid's heroic end.

(9a) Storm troopers who have had the benefit of setting up an ambush point decide to all stand as close together as possible, and yet none of them fires when it's clear the Droid doesn't have the asset. I'm so sick of this, and it's the sort of thing you only see in garbage comic book shows, or unrealistic low-rent kung fu productions. Trained soldiers with ranged weapons continually squander their weapon's entire reason for existing. No, let's make a nice close circle like we did with armorer lady for a cool Aikido display. Let's come at her one by one! Let's not use our guns to stand out of range, and just shoot that person to death if he/she moves.

(10) The worst of all. Gideon rides in with a Tie Fighter, but without any AA whatsoever, our heroes can stand up to air superiority. My God. Sure, he isn't aware of the Jet Pack. More problematically, though, once again, he shows zero consideration for Baby Yoda's life. If the point is to capture the baby then firing indiscriminately on a group he is in is once again counterproductive to the most critical objective justifying his presence.


If this is how you feel, you shouldn’t have been able to get past the silly costumes. Watching Mando walk around in a room full of adults, dressed like a power ranger, is ridiculous on its face. The moment I was able to accept that, I became able to accept that they would be taking cinematic licence with battle scenes and tactics.

If you need advanced military tactics to play themselves out when you watch shows made for teenage boys, you should just stick to reading Tolstoy and stop watching them altogether.
 
So Moff just stood there and picked his shots at Mando lol. Also Mando not going over to confirm the kill (could have improvised this part). And them being held up in that house was stretched out. Overall, great season but ending could've been better.
No ending is better than T2's ending tho.

IG-11 = Dutch Terminator Conan
 
She should have gave him a Jawa signet after all the Jawas Mando vaporized with his rifle.

Jawas are scum. I wish he’d killed them all.

All the planets they blow up in Star Wars and they leave they dust ball to its own
 
If this is how you feel, you shouldn’t have been able to get past the silly costumes. Watching Mando walk around in a room full of adults, dressed like a power ranger, is ridiculous on its face. The moment I was able to accept that, I became able to accept that they would be taking cinematic licence with battle scenes and tactics.

If you need advanced military tactics to play themselves out when you watch shows made for teenage boys, you should just stick to reading Tolstoy and stop watching them altogether.
I'm challenged that I don't provide any specific criticisms of narrative logistics, but when I deliver a crushing litany of them, I'm then confronted with ridiculous, whimpering howls like this.
 
I'm challenged that I don't provide any specific criticisms of narrative logistics, but when I deliver a crushing litany of them, I'm then confronted with ridiculous, whimpering howls like this.

I didn’t challenge you to provide anything. I laughed at what you wrote and gave you some good advice.
 
Series was decent. Look forward to season 2. More series like this would have been way better than 3 new crap movies. Disney really messed up.

Until then I need to take a look at Whitcher season 1 and hopefully The Boys Season 2 on Amazon hits soon.

Any other series to keep an eye out for?
 
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