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The majority of American gun deaths are suicides

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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html


Over the past 5 years, over 60 percent of gun deaths in the USA has been people taking their own lives.

Why don’t more people care about this?

Is depression and mental health and suicide and loneliness not an issue for people to tackle?

Does no one care about people who are poor and jobless and never getting laid and out of shape having access to guns to blow their own heads off?

Why is there a war on drugs and a crusade for gun control but no war on depression and other mental illnesses?

Both sides should be ashamed as well.

I don’t think a depressed teen should have a weapon in his hand either.
 
The same group that wants the gun violence issue to be solely explained as a mental health issue also happens to be the same group that makes healthcare (including mental health services) less accessible.

They just want to kick the can down the road long enough to not do anything.
 
So when Australia did there version of a gun ban. Murders didn't go down, but suicides did. This reduction while statistically relevent, was not significant in reducing suicide. We are talking a 1-5% reduction.


This is counter intuitive, and if our media didn't suck, they would discuss this result in the conversation more.
 
Neph said:
Try reading more than the headline genius. Put your mouse on 1996 and then on 2014.

fucks sake.
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Why the fuck would you compare 1990 anything, to 20teen anything?

You can take equal sample time sizes from immediately before the gun ban, and immediately after.

Anything else is cherry picking numbers.
 
VivaRevolution said:
So when Australia did there version of a gun ban. Murders didn't go down, but suicides did.
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VivaRevolution said:
Why the fuck would you compare 1990 anything, to 20teen anything?

You can take equal sample time sizes from immediately before the gun ban, and immediately after.

Anything else is cherry picking numbers.
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Because genius 1996 was when the gun controls was instituted, hence why I picked from 1996 to today.

You stated that murders did not go down. They absolutely did.

what the fuck man
 
Neph said:
Because genius 1996 was when the gun controls was instituted, hence why I picked from 1996 to today.

You stated that murders did not go down. They absolutely did.

what the fuck man
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What?

What gun ban did Australia have in 1996?
 
Suicide by gun is a good way to do it.
 
VivaRevolution said:
What?

What gun ban did Australia have in 1996?
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In case you were unaware gun controls were instituted in 1996 following the Port Arthur Massacre

We haven't had a mass shooting since

The National Firearms Agreement (NFA), also sometimes called the National Agreement on Firearms, the National Firearms Agreement and Buyback Program, or the Nationwide Agreement on Firearms,[1] was an agreement concerning firearm control made by Australasian Police Ministers' Council (APMC) in 1996, in response to the Port Arthur massacre that killed 35 people.[2] The laws to give effect to the Agreement were passed by Australian State governments only 12 days after the Port Arthur massacre.[3]

The NFA placed tight control on semi-automatic and fully automatic weapons, although permitted their use by licensed individuals who required them for a purpose other than 'personal protection'. The act included a gun buy-back provision.
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If you want to make a better argument you would try to present that the NFA was not the contributor towards the decrease in homicide. However, that is not what you said, and what you said is patently false.
 
ScottE said:
The same group that wants the gun violence issue to be solely explained as a mental health issue also happens to be the same group that makes healthcare (including mental health services) less accessible.

They just want to kick the can down the road long enough to not do anything.
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By jacking up rates and deductibles
 
We are loosing 20 veterans a day due to suicide. More dying at home than combat in Afghanistan or Iraq.
 
spin_ said:
Suicide by gun is a good way to do it.
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It's certainly the most deadly, "do you have access to a gun" is the first question a mental health professional asks someone who says they are thinking about killing themselves.
 
Neph said:
In case you were unaware gun controls were instituted in 1996 following the Port Arthur Massacre

We haven't had a mass shooting since



If you want to make a better argument you would try to present that the NFA was not the contributor towards the decrease in homicide. However, that is not what you said, and what you said is patently false.
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the thread isn’t about
Jonestown either
 
Neph said:
In case you were unaware gun controls were instituted in 1996 following the Port Arthur Massacre

We haven't had a mass shooting since



If you want to make a better argument you would try to present that the NFA was not the contributor towards the decrease in homicide. However, that is not what you said, and what you said is patently false.
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Ok, my bad. The problem is I didn't learn about this until a few years ago. I was wrong there.

With that said. Why are you comparing it to 2013 then?

Have you also been seeing a reduction in crime rates in general up to 2013?

I know in the US despite all the mania about guns, our murder rates have been dropping for decades along with crime rates.
 
Do you think if we get rid of the guns we will get rid of suicides?

Asking for a friend.
 
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