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skysolo said:
You don't even have a good argument against Jimmy Dore' plan. You just have nothing but wait. I destroyed lame arguments like this. Stop making them please. If you have any questions go back to the thread and check #370. If you have anything to dispute, bring it.

Did you ever imagine when you were growing up that you would be defending a politician? She's one of the most powerful people in the country. She doesn't need your defending. This is top-notch bootlicking.

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My concern (for people who really want M4A. I am not so convinced it’s the best solution, but I’d support it) is that when it gets struck down in a forced floor vote the dems will be a fractured party and Pelosi will have a built in excuse to dismiss it as an already failed bill when it comes up again. The gop is licking their chops at the prospect of this spectacle because they can take some more seats in 2022 when your kind works themselves into a frenzy and applies the M4A purity test to every candidate.

And I’m not defending AOC, I’m just pointing out she’s much, much better than you in every way.
 
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Lol, I saw that on the broadcast and thought of this place.

The SNL Xmas special was on the other night (last night?), I love it. It’s almost my favorite, annual holiday show now. Dick in a box is a work of art.
 
sickc0d3r said:
My concern (for people who really want M4A. I am not so convinced it’s the best solution, but I’d support it) is that when it gets struck down in a forced floor vote the dems will be a fractured party and Pelosi will have a built in excuse to dismiss it as an already failed bill when it comes up again. The gop is licking their chops at the prospect of this spectacle because they can take some more seats in 2022 when your kind works themselves into a frenzy and applies the M4A purity test to every candidate.

And I’m not defending AOC, I’m just pointing out she’s much, much better than you in every way.
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There is no downside that isn't already present.

If it gets stuck down then you know who your enemies are and you should be fighting tooth and nail to primary the no voters. Do you really want to be in a party that is against healthcare during a pandemic?

She simply doesn't need to put it on the floor. She doesn't need an excuse. Pelosi said she is gone after the next term. So the next time that m4a can be put to a vote is 2022. You really want to wait 2 more years? 15 million lost their healthcare in 8 months. How many more in 24 months?

The GOP is going to take more seats? Pelosi has already lost over 1000 seats. She lost seats under Trump. Historically, the republicans will have the house at the end of her next term anyway.
 
skysolo said:
There is no downside that isn't already present.

If it gets stuck down then you know who your enemies are and you should be fighting tooth and nail to primary the no voters. Do you really want to be in a party that is against healthcare during a pandemic?

She simply doesn't need to put it on the floor. She doesn't need an excuse. Pelosi said she is gone after the next term. So the next time that m4a can be put to a vote is 2022. You really want to wait 2 more years? 15 million lost their healthcare in 8 months. How many more in 24 months?

The GOP is going to take more seats? Pelosi has already lost over 1000 seats. She lost seats under Trump. Historically, the republicans will have the house at the end of her next term anyway.
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Creating an intra-party fight over a doomed bill is a downside that doesn’t exist already. And not being for M4A doesn’t make someone “against healthcare”.
Even if it somehow passed it’s not going to be implemented before this pandemic is over, and it’s not going to pass, anyway, so, yeah, 2 years is the absolute best you can possibly hope for. What the dems need is a little solidarity and a consistent message if they ever want to pass anything at all.
 
Sickness1 said:
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Speechless. Just blown away. Those last 10 minutes where you get to see you know who walk in, and that droid. I just can't explain the feeling. Was not expecting that. That's all we wanted the past 5 years. It was that easy. Iconic.

Absolutely impressed and satisfied with that episode and ending. We all got what we wanted in this. Fucking brilliant.
 
sickc0d3r said:
Creating an intra-party fight over a doomed bill is a downside that doesn’t exist already. And not being for M4A doesn’t make someone “against healthcare”.
Even if it somehow passed it’s not going to be implemented before this pandemic is over, and it’s not going to pass, anyway, so, yeah, 2 years is the absolute best you can possibly hope for. What the dems need is a little solidarity and a consistent message if they ever want to pass anything at all.
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50-60% of them ran on medicare for all or the public option. If putting it to a vote fractures the party, then good. It needs to be fractured. Being against m4a during a pandemic where 15 million lost their healthcare and another 30 million had no healthcare to start and another 30 million had very little makes them against healthcare. No matter how you spin it.

If the republicans had control of the house and the dems control of the senate, do you think this would stop the house republicans from doing anything? They are ready to battle the supreme court over the election that has no chance in hell of being overturned. Their party isn't being fractured even though some think it is a fool's errand.

The dems knew impeachment would fail. They did it anyway.

You don't know how long the pandemic is going to last. This 2 year plan arguing from a place of defeat. You are defeated and you haven't even began to fight. Which is ironic for a MMA board.


The dems need to actually do what they ran on or it is fake. And if you think they lost seats now under Trump, wait those 2 years and watch them get decimated. Then your 2 year plan becomes a 4 year plan. Then what? If 15 million lost healthcare in 8 months, how many in 96 months? And then you are really only talking about voting on it in 2 years maybe 4 years.

Stagnating and waiting for leadership to get on board. Or for you to get the right committee opponents. Or waiting for the dems to have both the house and senate (which hasn't happened since 2011). Or waiting for a progressive majority. Or waiting to exhale.

Look at AOC. She did everything she was told. She voted for Pelosi, CARES, and the patriot act renewal. She was told not right now for the green new deal and she just accepts it. She was told that there would be progress on the $15 minimum wage and nothing has happened.

You call yourselves progressives but you don't do anything to actually achieve progress.
 
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