The legal knee

[West_Hammer]

According to Stephens' logic, if the opponent lies down on his back with one hand in the air, Stephens kicks him in the head,

Dan was right there and he didn’t stop the fight, possibility that either he doesn’t understand the rules too? Can’t put it all on Stephens.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

I wonder if all the people who were bashing Stephens about something they knew nothing about feels like that stepped in dog shit face first. If the knee had of landed it still would have been legal because he had one hand off the floor, anytime at the beginning of the event if Anik says that state has adopted the new rules then if the opponent has one hand or one knee off the floor a knee is legal. If the fight had gone to a decision people would have bitched because somebody did not get brain damage I mean dang.

Knee was down, therefore he is down.

Simples.

 

[Roljo]

It doesn't matter how many hands were on the floor.

Opponent was ON HIS KNEES. ALREADY DOWNED, BY DEFINITION.

/thread.

This, TS really didn't think this through...

 

[jeff7b9]

Does it matter if it was both knees? When the knee came Emmett’s left knee and left hand were not touching the floor.

Any body part besides hand or feet touching matt = downed opponent.


A grounded fighter is defined as: Any part of the body, other than a single hand and soles of the feet touching the fighting area floor. To be grounded, both hands palm/fist down, and/or any other body part must be touching the fighting area floor. A single knee, arm, makes the fighter grounded without having to have any other body part in touch with the fighting area floor.

 

[JayJayFrench]

that knee did zero damage and the shertards are still crying about it.


good thing none of you guys fight, you'll be crying before your fight starts, during, and after.

My buddy was giving a drunk asshole a bit of a tune up outside a bar. The dude actually tried to call a time out. I shit you not. He yelled "hang on, hang on a sec, I can't breath." after taking a shot to the head. My buddy just laughed (out loud) and said "fuck off you idiot", and gave him a push kick to the chest and we walked away. I guess his time out worked.

 

[TheRassler]

My buddy was giving a drunk asshole a bit of a tune up outside a bar. The dude actually tried to call a time out. I shit you not. He yelled "hang on, hang on a sec, I can't breath." after taking a shot to the head. My buddy just laughed (out loud) and said "fuck off you idiot", and gave him a push kick to the chest and we walked away. I guess his time out worked.
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Yeah, those drunk fucks are always fun to stomp on.

just gotta make sure you flee the scene before police get there.

 

[mahavishnunj]

But what you just did there was turned the debate into a semantic one on the difference between “land” and “graze”.

From a purely debating perspective, not a good tactic

ok, its purely semantic. the knee did not land. theres no debating that. you can infer 'debating tactics' if youd like. the reality is, IT DID NOT LAND. no discussion left.

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

It's a joke that Emmett is trying to appeal the loss, that knee isn't what hurt him.

 

[MDoza]

Sorry TS you are completely wrong.

Shame on you, go cry in a corner.

 

[AimedWithV]

Dan was right there and he didn’t stop the fight, possibility that either he doesn’t understand the rules too? Can’t put it all on Stephens.

If referees didn't make mistakes, we would've never seen overturned decisions.

Miragliotta made a mistake, probably got too late with the reaction.
Stephens admitted intention and ignorance.

 

[Kumason]

I wonder if all the people who were bashing Stephens about something they knew nothing about feels like that stepped in dog shit face first. If the knee had of landed it still would have been legal because he had one hand off the floor, anytime at the beginning of the event if Anik says that state has adopted the new rules then if the opponent has one hand or one knee off the floor a knee is legal. If the fight had gone to a decision people would have bitched because somebody did not get brain damage I mean dang.

Wow...just wow lol.Open mouth insert foot.

 

[maximus__]

An illegal strike was thrown and connected, by the rules the fight should have been stopped. The fight wasn't stopped and the opponent was finished within the same striking exchange.
I feel there is grounds for a NC, however the onus is on the ref to pick it up during the fight and for STEPHENS to not throw illegal strikes in the first place.

The commission has a chance to decide where they want to go with this. They can overturn the fight and enforce their rules or let it go and as usual issue a stern warning.
This is the third event I can think of where a potentially illegal knee has been involved.
Stephens vs Emmet
Weidman vs Moose
Poirer vs Alvarez

All three have had different outcomes and I believe all three where under the new unified rules. How about some consistency so we can clear up this rule and fighters know where they stand.
I am getting sick of missing out on good fights because someone throws an illegal strike.

 

[jeff7b9]

This is the third event I can think of where a potentially illegal knee has been involved.
Stephens vs Emmet
Weidman vs Moose
Poirer vs Alvarez

All three have had different outcomes and I believe all three where under the new unified rules. How about some consistency so we can clear up this rule and fighters know where they stand.

Three different situations.

Weidman and Moose was the only one which is affected by the rule change.

The other two the knee was down.

A fighter with a knee down was down before the rule change and is still down under current rules.

Knee down = down. It doesn't matter where the hands are if the knee is down.

One hand down, 2 hands down, one hand making gang signs the other hand making balloon animals ... if the knee is down you are down.

 

[MPD-Psycho]

With the new rules there’s always this kind of confusion with knees to the ground.

Should just make it like Pride, but with elbows.

 

[IloveTHIS]

LOL at TS being made to look like an idiot with the very first response.

TS get in here and acknowledge your shame

 

[maximus__]

Three different situations.

Weidman and Moose was the only one which is affected by the rule change.

The other two the knee was down.

A fighter with a knee down was down before the rule change and is still down under current rules.

Knee down = down. It doesn't matter where the hands are if the knee is down.

One hand down, 2 hands down, one hand making gang signs the other hand making balloon animals ... if the knee is down you are down.

So you don't think there is any confusion resulting from the current rules and what the fighters are being told?

Weidman thought he would get the DQ win so played up the knee to the head. When told the opposite he was suddenly fine to continue fighting.
he tried to game the system with the hand down defence and got caught by the new rules.

Stephens came out and said that the ref told him earlier that knee was legal to throw and that is why he threw it. He thought it was a legal knee even if it connected fully.
He was wrong and no one would argue a DQ loss if Emmet had been knocked out by the knee.

Alvarez vs Poirer was more than likely a mistake and he thought he could catch him with a sneaky knee on the way to getting up.

In my opinion that shows quite a bit of confusion as to where the fighters stand. I feel the rules need to be cleared up and made uniform across all events.

That knee by Stephens made some change to the outcome of the fight and was illegal. He stated in an interview he threw it intentionally believing it was fine.
It made contact and within the next couple seconds Emmet went from attempting to get to his feet, to being pushed onto his back and finished.
It was the refs fault for not catching it, but lets take this and make some changes to clarify the rules or put something like instant replay in place for the future.

By the rules that fight should be atleast a No contest if not DQ loss for Stephens. It is the fighters responsibility to know and fight within the rules and the ref needs to enforce them.

 

[jeff7b9]

So you don't think there is any confusion resulting from the current rules and what the fighters are being told?

Weidman thought he would get the DQ win so played up the knee to the head. When told the opposite he was suddenly fine to continue fighting.
he tried to game the system with the hand down defence and got caught by the new rules.

Stephens came out and said that the ref told him earlier that knee was legal to throw and that is why he threw it. He thought it was a legal knee even if it connected fully.
He was wrong and no one would argue a DQ loss if Emmet had been knocked out by the knee.

Alvarez vs Poirer was more than likely a mistake and he thought he could catch him with a sneaky knee on the way to getting up.

In my opinion that shows quite a bit of confusion as to where the fighters stand. I feel the rules need to be cleared up and made uniform across all events.

That knee by Stephens made some change to the outcome of the fight and was illegal. He stated in an interview he threw it intentionally believing it was fine.
It made contact and within the next couple seconds Emmet went from attempting to get to his feet, to being pushed onto his back and finished.
It was the refs fault for not catching it, but lets take this and make some changes to clarify the rules or put something like instant replay in place for the future.

By the rules that fight should be atleast a No contest if not DQ loss for Stephens. It is the fighters responsibility to know and fight within the rules and the ref needs to enforce them.

I agree with a lot of what you said but still stand by that belief that those are different situations and the specific circumstances matter otherwise we wouldn't need to discuss them.

The sport could be better organization and should have the same rules everywhere but with state sanctioning bodies that is not the current reality, unfortunately.

But people acting confused over very simple rules is annoying. Knees down has always been down regardless of rule change or state sanctioning body.

The fact that a fighter could think an opponent on his knees isn't considered a downed opponent because his hands aren't down is embarrassing. On top of that the elbows where to the back of the head or at the very least close enough that a pro fighter should be more cautious/aware.

Conclusion: Stephens is either dumb or didn't care about breaking rules or both.

Weidman tried to game the rules and it backfired. Sucks for him but that's what he gets for faking it. That fight brought to light the fact that you can lift a guy up to make him not grounded anymore, good to know and maybe they should have had more of a public discussion before hand but that is rarely how things work.

Conclusion: be honest.

Alvarez could not see that Poitier was down, but it is his responsibility ultimately to throw legal strikes. If a fighter isn't sure then they shouldn't throw the strike. It is pretty simple and based on the fact that 99% of fighters are able to obey the rules and stop their combos at the bell and release submissions and the few that break the rules often wind up being multiple offenders it seems like the problems isn't understanding rules so much as following them.

Conclusion: Eddie should know better, bad decision to throw the strike by Alvarez who was losing that fight and may have been reckless. Poirier should not have been penalized for his opponent cheating and he got screwed out of a win bonus.

I would WAY RATHER have all knees and soccer kicks be legal. It makes several positions much more interesting and if a guy can't defend those techniques he doesn't deserve to win. It is a FIGHT after all.

 

[maximus__]

I agree with a lot of what you said but still stand by that belief that those are different situations and the specific circumstances matter otherwise we wouldn't need to discuss them.

The sport could be better organization and should have the same rules everywhere but with state sanctioning bodies that is not the current reality, unfortunately.

But people acting confused over very simple rules is annoying. Knees down has always been down regardless of rule change or state sanctioning body.

The fact that a fighter could think an opponent on his knees isn't considered a downed opponent because his hands aren't down is embarrassing. On top of that the elbows where to the back of the head or at the very least close enough that a pro fighter should be more cautious/aware.

Conclusion: Stephens is either dumb or didn't care about breaking rules or both.

Weidman tried to game the rules and it backfired. Sucks for him but that's what he gets for faking it. That fight brought to light the fact that you can lift a guy up to make him not grounded anymore, good to know and maybe they should have had more of a public discussion before hand but that is rarely how things work.

Conclusion: be honest.

Alvarez could not see that Poitier was down, but it is his responsibility ultimately to throw legal strikes. If a fighter isn't sure then they shouldn't throw the strike. It is pretty simple and based on the fact that 99% of fighters are able to obey the rules and stop their combos at the bell and release submissions and the few that break the rules often wind up being multiple offenders it seems like the problems isn't understanding rules so much as following them.

Conclusion: Eddie should know better, bad decision to throw the strike by Alvarez who was losing that fight and may have been reckless. Poirier should not have been penalized for his opponent cheating and he got screwed out of a win bonus.

I would WAY RATHER have all knees and soccer kicks be legal. It makes several positions much more interesting and if a guy can't defend those techniques he doesn't deserve to win. It is a FIGHT after all.

Haha well we agree seem to agree on most things then.
Now we just need referees to do their jobs and enforce the rules.