The Jordan Peterson Thread - V2 -

[sub_thug]

Dude, it's at the top of the page. Really not a lot of work.

Just admit you were wrong and we can move on. I hate when people try to act smart but then act all lazy when called out on it.

Below is the start of our interaction. It wasn't something I said to someone else. It was a post of mine that you quoted.

Sorry for expecting you to remember things in our own conversation.

I don’t hang on your every word. Don’t care.

 

[Rational Poster]

I don’t hang on your every word. Don’t care.

I accept your concession. Don't bite what you can't chew.

 

[Der Eisbär]

There's plenty of trouble coming from the right as well but he doesn't quite care about that and continues to hyper focus on college students flipping over trashcans.

Again, its fine to be a right wing pundit but my distaste with Rubin is that he pretends he isn't and obfuscates with the term liberal and liberalism to present a misleading picture.

Jordan Peterson very often addresses the white identitarians and his attempts to dissuade them from that path. I'm not sure where you're getting it from that he has a singular focus. He doesn't. If you listen to his lectures he talks about how he receives letters from men that were being radicalized towards the alt right and how his works changed their minds. He doesn't only focus on the left.

 

[FIMN]

Hillary openly used racial rhetoric, addressing "white privilege" and how we need to recognize it. Bernie didn't employ identity politics during his run which is why I liked him, but he has since embraced them unfortunately.

I don't get where you're coming from that the gop are based on racial resentment. Certainly in the past that has been true, like decades ago, but much of that has faded with a lingering spirit still remaining. I don't see the gop and right leaning news openly hostile to and condemning entire swathes of society based on their skin color or gender. However on the left we get to hear from npr, bbc, msnbc, the hill, vox, buzzfeed and MTV about how evil white people are. How all whites are racist. How racism towards whites is impossible. How all men are sexual predators. Etc etc

Racial gerrymandering
Birtherism
Muslim ban
Mexicans sending rapists

All seem much more blatent forms of identity politics than a notion that white privilege exists, even if you consider the definition debatable or clumsy as I do.

 

[Der Eisbär]

Racial gerrymandering
Birtherism
Muslim ban
Mexicans sending rapists

All seem much more blatent forms of identity politics than a notion that white privilege exists, even if you consider the definition debatable or clumsy as I do.

To begin with, it's not racial gerrymandering. It's political. Parties gerrymander for optimum voting districts regardless of race. Other than that, you conflated a bunch of trumpisms with the right wing.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Jordan Peterson very often addresses the white identitarians and his attempts to dissuade them from that path. I'm not sure where you're getting it from that he has a singular focus. He doesn't. If you listen to his lectures he talks about how he receives letters from men that were being radicalized towards the alt right and how his works changed their minds. He doesn't only focus on the left.

I was talking about Dave Rubin, not Jordan Peterson. JP is far more intelligent and honest than Dave Rubin of course.

 

[FIMN]

To begin with, it's not racial gerrymandering. It's political. Parties gerrymander for optimum voting districts regardless of race. Other than that, you conflated a bunch of trumpisms with the right wing.

There was a supreme court affirmation of a lower court ruling in 2017 that showed elements of racial gerrymandering that was unconstitutional. We can also add voter suppression to the list as well.

There was a reason I asked where right wingers were less concerned than left regarding identity politics, because it certainly doesn't seem that way in the US. Trump didn't come from nowhere - It's a pretty grotesque culmination of decades of racial resentment. At least from my perspective. It doesn't seem that a mention of white privilege on the campaign trail even comes close

 

[Der Eisbär]

There was a supreme court affirmation of a lower court ruling in 2017 that showed elements of racial gerrymandering that was unconstitutional. We can also add voter suppression to the list as well.

There was a reason I asked where right wingers were less concerned than left regarding identity politics, because it certainly doesn't seem that way in the US. Trump didn't come from nowhere - It's a pretty grotesque culmination of decades of racial resentment. At least from my perspective. It doesn't seem that a mention of white privilege on the campaign trail even comes close

The very notion that minorities don't have id cards is racist. Do you realize that? Gerry mandating again, is on political lines. Not racial. If black voters were Republican republicans wouldn't be drawing district lines to exclude them. It literally has nothing to do with race and everything to do with politics. Its corrupt either way, but not racist.

 

[Der Eisbär]

I was talking about Dave Rubin, not Jordan Peterson. JP is far more intelligent and honest than Dave Rubin of course.

Ah, my bad

 

[sub_thug]

I accept your concession. Don't bite what you can't chew.

You still think that me not remembering your exact wording proves that you were right? Collectivism still isn’t important in America. But go ahead and think that you’ve won. We all need to believe in something.

 

[Rational Poster]

You still think that me not remembering your exact wording proves that you were right? Collectivism still isn’t important in America. But go ahead and think that you’ve won. We all need to believe in something.

We wouldn't be here without collectivism.

 

[splendica]

The last JP video was page 72. I disappoint.

 

[FIMN]

The very notion that minorities don't have id cards is racist. Do you realize that? Gerry mandating again, is on political lines. Not racial. If black voters were Republican republicans wouldn't be drawing district lines to exclude them. It literally has nothing to do with race and everything to do with politics. Its corrupt either way, but not racist.

The supreme court and lower court it affirmed disagree with you.

And swing and a miss re voter suppression. The idea that's being raised is that adding restrictions to voters rights, given the long and storied history of denial of said rights on racial grounds, is voter suppression. I suspect you knew that though.

 

[Der Eisbär]

The supreme court and lower court it affirmed disagree with you.

And swing and a miss re voter suppression. The idea that's being raised is that adding restrictions to voters rights, given the long and storied history of denial of said rights on racial grounds, is voter suppression. I suspect you knew that though.

the right to vote is not extended to non citizens, which is why voter ID laws are attempted.

 

[FIMN]

the right to vote is not extended to non citizens, which is why voter ID laws are attempted.

Nobody said it was. Voter ID laws are implemented in whole or in part to suppress minority voters. This is well documented, and illegal as affirmed by multiple courts including the supreme court.

It's good to see you've stopped arguing that identity politics is more prevalent on the left than the right in the US given the multiple examples provided.

 

[Der Eisbär]

Nobody said it was. Voter ID laws are implemented in whole or in part to suppress minority voters. This is well documented, and illegal as affirmed by multiple courts including the supreme court.

It's good to see you've stopped arguing that identity politics is more prevalent on the left than the right in the US given the multiple examples provided.

Hardly bud. I've just been focusing on the specific arguments that you've been using. You simply attribute an underlying racial motivation rather than going by what the Ds and Rs actually say.
Imagine breitbart writing an article on the need to abolish the black race
https://harvardmagazine.com/2002/09/abolish-the-white-race.html

https://www.theroot.com/whiteness-in-america-is-a-virus-whose-sole-purpose-is-p-1790857647
Whiteness in America Is a Virus Whose Sole Purpose Is Preserving Itself

 

[FIMN]

Hardly bud. I've just been focusing on the specific arguments that you've been using. You simply attribute an underlying racial motivation rather than going by what the Ds and Rs actually say.
Imagine breitbart writing an article on the need to abolish the black race
https://harvardmagazine.com/2002/09/abolish-the-white-race.html

https://www.theroot.com/whiteness-in-america-is-a-virus-whose-sole-purpose-is-p-1790857647
Whiteness in America Is a Virus Whose Sole Purpose Is Preserving Itself

Two articles from random writers with no influence over anything don't really match with numerous GOP party attempts in North Carolina to introduce voter ID laws to suppress minority voters (as confirmed as illegal by numerous courts) the POTUS saying the first black president is a Muslim, that mexicans are rapists etc...

You're grasping at straws.

Nobody said identity politics doesn't exist on the left, just that it's far more prevalent, mainstream and influential on the right.

Look at who the president is.

 

[Rational Poster]

Hardly bud. I've just been focusing on the specific arguments that you've been using. You simply attribute an underlying racial motivation rather than going by what the Ds and Rs actually say.
Imagine breitbart writing an article on the need to abolish the black race
https://harvardmagazine.com/2002/09/abolish-the-white-race.html

https://www.theroot.com/whiteness-in-america-is-a-virus-whose-sole-purpose-is-p-1790857647
Whiteness in America Is a Virus Whose Sole Purpose Is Preserving Itself

Check out this google fu artist over here.

So distinguished.

For real, did you even read this?

The first one is just Harvard's website plugging a book, it's not actually their own published news material. It literally just says, here's some excerpt from this guy's book who is an affiliate and offers no commentary or review, it's just straight text from some guy's book..

 

[Der Eisbär]

Two articles from random writers with no influence over anything don't really match with numerous GOP party attempts in North Carolina to introduce voter ID laws to suppress minority voters (as confirmed as illegal by numerous courts) the POTUS saying the first black president is a Muslim, that mexicans are rapists etc...

You're grasping at straws.

Nobody said identity politics doesn't exist on the left, just that it's far more prevalent, mainstream and influential on the right.

Look at who the president is.

Donald trumps reaction was nothing more than a reaction to the extremist identity politics of the left. The left literally got him elected with their radicalism and it's push back

 

[Metusalemi]

I was talking about Dave Rubin, not Jordan Peterson. JP is far more intelligent and honest than Dave Rubin of course.

Did you see this?