The "Is CNN Biased" post, Poll edition..

[RhinoRush]

Definitely gotta stop anyone from saying anything against the GOP party line. The WR should be preserved as a safe space for right-wingers so no one's feelings get hurt. And we gotta make sure no one criticizes the gov't for the next four years.

It's not about protecting us from you, it's about protecting you from yourself. You need to move on with your life. Carrying on like this for the next 8 years is not going to be healthy for you.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I don't think that actually. Even Democrats have voted in this poll, and they disagree with you.

Who?

The only defense I've heard from people who lean left, is that CNN is biased, but Fox is worse. The only one I've seen so far outright denying any bias on CNN's part, is you.

That only shows that you're in a bubble.

I'm pretty sure you could put this poll up anywhere, and the overwhelming majority would come back with the same results.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

Why? Because unlike you, most people are honest about their views when faced with overwhelming evidence.

Hey, if there's overwhelming evidence of your assertion, I'd love to see it. I've been asking for any evidence at all, and I've seen none. It's basically just, "if you don't agree with the Trump campaign on this issue, fuck you." All the actual evidence I've seen contradicts your claims.

 

[HereticBD]

I'm done playing your game Jack. You lose.

 

[IGIT]

So in another thread everyone's favorite poster @Jack V Savage is still defending the likes of CNN saying they are absolutely not biased against Donald trump and never were. Some of us disagree, what say you fellow sherdoggers?

edit: I realize I mispelled Republicans, I can't edit it now.

hi CrazyN8,

CNN seems kind of centrist to me, always taking care to present spokespeople on both sides of an issue, regardless of whether the point of view is credible or not.

ie - candidate A says the world is round...so they'll give equal time to candidate B, who insists its flat.

still...i can see how one could possibly make a charge of bias against the network.

CNN's CEO batted down more criticism on Monday that his network helped contribute to the political ascent of Donald Trump, even as his organization continues to offer lopsided coverage that favors the casino tycoon more than any other 2016 presidential candidate.

CNN has paid more attention to Trump than any other 2016 presidential candidate is not wrong: The billionaire businessman has enjoyed more free coverage from the cable news network than any Republican or Democrat.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/c...wall-coverage-for-trumps-rise/article/2589523

- IGIT

 

[Phelly2]

CNN is just the Fox News of the left. Equally biased news outlets include huffington post, New York Times, and honestly the list goes on and on.

But I considered voting "biased toward republican" because the bias is becoming so obvious the mainstream media might actually be hurting liberals.

 

[IGIT]

CNN is just the Fox News of the left. Equally biased news outlets include huffington post, New York Times, and honestly the list goes on and on.

But I considered voting "biased toward republican" because the bias is becoming so obvious the mainstream media might actually be hurting liberals.

hi Phelly2,

well...all i can say is you must not read the New York Times if you think its the flipside of Foxnews.

- IGIT

 

[Jack V Savage]

I'm done playing your game Jack. You lose.

I think it's clear that you can't defend your point to even the most minimal degree, but you are nonetheless very passionately committed to it. That is a bad combination. Probably best for you to check out.

 

[HereticBD]

I think it's clear that you can't defend your point to even the most minimal degree, but you are nonetheless very passionately committed to it.

Coming from you, especially in this thread, that is just too precious.

Have a nice day, Jackie boy..

 

[Jack V Savage]

hi Phelly2,

well...all i can say is you must not read the New York Times if you think its the flipside of Foxnews.

- IGIT

Look at the beliefs held by the people in the thread. Like I said, Farmer thinks Obama stole the 2012 election (posted a bunch of what he thought was evidence of voter fraud, plus he thinks the IRS stopped Tea Party groups from operating and that that would have thrown the election to Romney). Other posters think that Clinton has had multiple people murdered, is involved in some kind of philia cult, and any number of outlandish CTs. Of course any centrist news organization that doesn't report that stuff is going to come off as wildly biased to them.

Here's Heretic:

It's amusing to me at how people will be quick to cite a "pattern" with Trump's alleged racism, but be quick to dismiss many, many dead bodies of Clinton opponents as a "wack job conspiracy theory".

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Anyone who has ever watched cnn knows its bias towards democrats, its not even a question. Anyone thinking otherwise is dumb as a rock or delusional. If you cant see the bias you have something seriously wrong with how your brain interprets information.

 

[Phelly2]

hi Phelly2,

well...all i can say is you must not read the New York Times if you think its the flipside of Foxnews.

- IGIT

I'll be honest, I don't read it normally. But I have my share of liberal friends on Facebook who post their republican hating and smear job articles and New York Times is one of the ones I see a lot. The bias in the particular articles I've read have been enough for me to take notice.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Anyone who has ever watched cnn knows its bias towards democrats, its not even a question. Anyone thinking otherwise is dumb as a rock or delusional. If you cant see the bias you have something seriously wrong with how your brain interprets information.

^^^ Admitted Alex Jones fan who thinks AJ has been proven right too many times to dismiss.

 

[HereticBD]

Here's Heretic:

I'm in your head now. Love it.

I would expect someone of your extremely high(pfft) intellect could deduce the point I was making, and not actually saying that Clinton had people killed.

 

[IGIT]

Judging by the responses in this thread, I don't think they do. But they read about it on Breitbart.

hi Jack V Savage,

long time no talk, happy thxgiving!

let me ask you; don't you think there was at least some bias over at CNN in regards to their wall to wall coverage of Mr. Trump? i'm not saying that CNN was in the tank for Mr. Trump...i'm only thinking that they kind of leaned his way.

CNN entered the campaign season in a very different position. Some 18 months ago Wall Street analysts were questioning whether the network, then sinking near 20-year ratings lows, had a place in the new ecosystem of “unlimited real-time information,” as my colleague Emily Steel wrote at the time.

With CNN’s debates and heavy coverage of Mr. Trump, the network’s ratings have increased about 170 percent in prime time this year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/21/b...endence-of-trump-and-the-news-media.html?_r=0

Salon.com had a piece absolutely killing CNN for its tender and non-stop coverage of Mr. Trump;

CNN is so fawning to Trump it’s embarrassing, and its primary night coverage a disgrace.

Sitting at desks are representatives for all the candidates, each given equal weight, with every Trump criticism parried by the Trump supporter, lest the network lose Trump’s favor. Anderson Cooper might as well be Trump’s apprentice for all the steely journalistic probing he gives him.

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/03/cnn...overage_is_the_smoking_gun_cnn_is_the_corpse/

i'm not saying that CNN is Sean Hannity on steroids...but couldn't a case be made for a slight degree of pro-Trump bias over at CNN?

- IGIT

 

[Jack V Savage]

hi Jack V Savage,

long time no talk, happy thxgiving!

let me ask you; don't you think there was at least some bias over at CNN in regards to their wall to wall coverage of Mr. Trump? i'm not saying that CNN was in the tank for Mr. Trump...i'm only thinking that they kind of leaned his way.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/21/b...endence-of-trump-and-the-news-media.html?_r=0

Salon.com had a piece absolutely killing CNN for its tender and non-stop coverage of Mr. Trump;

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/03/cnn...overage_is_the_smoking_gun_cnn_is_the_corpse/

i'm not saying that CNN is Sean Hannity on steroids...but couldn't a case be made for a slight degree of pro-Trump bias over at CNN?

I think the media in general clearly helped him in the primary just by covering him so much. But with the exception of openly ideological media, partisanship just isn't that important to either journalists or people who run the companies. Ratings/sales are what matter, followed by awards/prestige. I was a journalist myself, and I know many high-level journalists, and you will not find a more cynical/apolitical (or anti-political) group of people, and anyway, it's management that really matters. To the extent that you see bias, even at the very highest levels, it's generally driven by personal interactions (like, journalists love people who give them access, say interesting things, and treat them well, and dislike people who don't do those things--like Clinton).

And the media in general (including CNN) totally got played by Republicans and hackers. The NY Times ran two major stories on the emails that turned out to be based on leaks from Congressional Republicans and turned out to be false, for example.

 

[IGIT]

I'll be honest, I don't read it normally. But I have my share of liberal friends on Facebook who post their republican hating and smear job articles and New York Times is one of the ones I see a lot. The bias in the particular articles I've read have been enough for me to take notice.

hi Phelly2,

i've read the NYT every day, more or less, for the last 20 years.

in terms of its straight news coverage, they're pretty centrist - just like the Wall Street Journal. its editorial page leans left, certainly, just as the Wall Street Journal's editorial page leans right.

if you read its op-ed page selectively, i can see how one might get a sense of bias, but it really doesn't exist to the degree you and several other posters are claiming.

i mean, lol...just google Maureen Dowd (one of their most popular columnists) and Hillary Clinton. Dowd has spent the last decade or so absolutely ripping Clinton.

- IGIT

 

[Jack V Savage]

hi Phelly2,

i've read the NYT every day, more or less, for the last 20 years.

in terms of its straight news coverage, they're pretty centrist - just like the Wall Street Journal. its editorial page leans left, certainly, just as the Wall Street Journal's editorial page leans right.

if you read its op-ed page selectively, i can see how one might get a sense of bias, but it really doesn't exist to the degree you and several other posters are claiming.

i mean, lol...just google Maureen Dowd (one of their most popular columnists) and Hillary Clinton. Dowd has spent the last decade or so absolutely ripping Clinton.

- IGIT

Definitely true on the op-ed pages (and a lot of unsophisticated posters don't appreciate the difference) and on Dowd.

 

[IGIT]

I think the media in general clearly helped him in the primary just by covering him so much. But with the exception of openly ideological media, partisanship just isn't that important to either journalists or people who run the companies. Ratings/sales are what matter, followed by awards/prestige. I was a journalist myself, and I know many high-level journalists, and you will not find a more cynical/apolitical (or anti-political) group of people, and anyway, it's management that really matters. To the extent that you see bias, even at the very highest levels, it's generally driven by personal interactions (like, journalists love people who give them access, say interesting things, and treat them well, and dislike people who don't do those things--like Clinton).

heya Jack,

i worked in journalism also when i lived up in the Northeast and i agree completely (including your caveat of "with the exception of openly ideological media").

Mr. Trump was very, very good for business and as noted in the NYT, CNN was on life support before they saturated their station with Trump coverage.

hmmmf.

maybe i'd put it this way; in the pursuit of ratings and advertising revenue, CNN's coverage of Mr. Trump gave the appearance of bias in favor of Trump.

- IGIT

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

^^^ Admitted Alex Jones fan who thinks AJ has been proven right too many times to dismiss.

Alex Jones is hilarious and Ill challenge anyone who thinks otherwise to a fist fight. AJ has been right about a lot of things, hes also wrong about a lot of things. I dont get my news from AJ, I watch his show periodically for entertainment value.

I get people like you though, you always have to have some outlandish view, and you will trick yourself in to beleiving it just so you can be different.

CNN is bias, and everyone in the world knows it, except you. If you want to feel special by going against that, then go ahead.

There is a reason people here dont take you seriously

 

[Jack V Savage]

Alex Jones is hilarious and Ill challenge anyone who thinks otherwise to a fist fight. AJ has been right about a lot of things, hes also wrong about a lot of things. I dont get my news from AJ, I watch his show periodically for entertainment value.

I get people like you though, you always have to have some outlandish view, and you will trick yourself in to beleiving it just so you can be different.

CNN is bias, and everyone in the world knows it, except you. If you want to feel special by going against that, then go ahead.

There is a reason people here dont take you seriously

Obviously I'm taken very seriously. TS even started a thread just because he was losing an argument in another one. Heretic stalks me. Another guy (can't remember the name) has something from me in his sig. Etc. I don't really know why, but it seems to be really important to insecure right-wingers that people agree with them that the media is biased, but the evidence for that assertion is not there, and the logic behind it is equally non-existent (like, even putting aside that media studies don't back it up, *why* would anyone think that the media would be biased against the right? No one can answer that).