The Gracie Debate: "Online" vs. "Live" Training

[lechien]

The internet won and they now backtracked big time.

They no longer give up to 4 stripes brown promotion via via tape exam.

They still give that silly online technical online blue belt but at the same discredit that bs belt by saying that you need to come a real school to getr their blue belts.

They made some business decisions like letting some children to run their CTC and that receive the ire of the "haters"... Lol

Pedro and Rickson on board... Hell yeah, it must be a good business decision to align that sell belt online.

 

[Was at Pride GP 2000]

The internet won and they now backtracked big time.

They no longer give up to 4 stripes brown promotion via via tape exam.

They still give that silly online technical online blue belt but at the same discredit that bs belt by saying that you need to come a real school to getr their blue belts.

They made some business decisions like letting some children to run their CTC and that receive the ire of the "haters"... Lol

Pedro and Rickson on board... Hell yeah, it must be a good business decision to align that sell belt online.

When you say back track big time how many more users are signed up 5 years later? Have you changed anything in your life from 5 years ago. Things evolve. If not your get passed up. Instead of hate why not appreciate the fact they have evolved their thinking on this?
So much so Rickson and Pedro are on board. They are recognized as the best there has ever been. Both have enough money or at least the ability to make money they do not need to jump on board. They realize how far main stream jiu jitsu has progressed and left behind some of the important roots. That's why they are on board. Oh and there is more coming.....

 

[lechien]

When you say back track big time how many more users are signed up 5 years later? Have you changed anything in your life from 5 years ago. Things evolve. If not your get passed up. Instead of hate why not appreciate the fact they have evolved their thinking on this?
So much so Rickson and Pedro are on board. They are recognized as the best there has ever been. Both have enough money or at least the ability to make money they do not need to jump on board. They realize how far main stream jiu jitsu has progressed and left behind some of the important roots. That's why they are on board. Oh and there is more coming.....

Oh yeah, they back tracked bug time.

You realised that their original plan was to promote steanger up to 4 stripes brown belt in the art of Gracie Jiu Jitsu.

Then their black belt exam consisted of 1 week at Torrance.

7 days with them! That is it? A Gracie Jiu Jitsu bb!

Now I am not even gonna talk on why Pedro or Rickson wants to go along with their scam.

OK maybe, I think Rickson is hoping that their members will join his Federation.

 

[rmongler]

Instead of hate why not appreciate the fact they have evolved their thinking on this?

This kind of attitude always perplexes me. It was the 'hate' that precipitated them to 'evolve their thinking' in the first place.


A: 'i feel sad when i get criticised so i dont like seeing criticism'

B: 'look at all the good and essential things criticism does'

A: 'yeah well but i still feel sad tho'


Its just so facile and solipsistic.

 

[tdluxon]

Seems like a cash grab to me... online black belt is right up there with a degree from trump university

 

[Was at Pride GP 2000]

This kind of attitude always perplexes me. It was the 'hate' that precipitated them to 'evolve their thinking' in the first place.


A: 'i feel sad when i get criticised so i dont like seeing criticism'

B: 'look at all the good and essential things criticism does'

A: 'yeah well but i still feel sad tho'


Its just so facile and solipsistic.

If you read the quote I was replying to it was hate not criticism. Calling it bullshit and thay the internet won is not constructive criticism
It's hate.
No matter. Pretty sure either way they are not looking on Sherdog for criticism or hate. They are just running their business and trying to reach their goals

 

[Was at Pride GP 2000]

Oh yeah, they back tracked bug time.

You realised that their original plan was to promote steanger up to 4 stripes brown belt in the art of Gracie Jiu Jitsu.

Then their black belt exam consisted of 1 week at Torrance.

7 days with them! That is it? A Gracie Jiu Jitsu bb!

Now I am not even gonna talk on why Pedro or Rickson wants to go along with their scam.

OK maybe, I think Rickson is hoping that their members will join his Federation.

So a couple of 20 something year olds built a business plan and after 5 years changed it all while increasing students, and revenues.
The problem is????

 

[Coconutwater]

Oh yeah, they back tracked bug time.

You realised that their original plan was to promote steanger up to 4 stripes brown belt in the art of Gracie Jiu Jitsu.

Then their black belt exam consisted of 1 week at Torrance.

7 days with them! That is it? A Gracie Jiu Jitsu bb!

Now I am not even gonna talk on why Pedro or Rickson wants to go along with their scam.

OK maybe, I think Rickson is hoping that their members will join his Federation.

Rickson is desperate, he wants to poach Gracie Academy students to join his federation. He isn't business savvy, and now GA has Rickson as a promotional push but won't actively promote his fledgling JJGF, which was a bad idea to begin with. We have enough competitions to partake in with variable rule sets and nobody wants or needs another sanctioning body. Simply join the competition you believe in, like EBI or whatever.

 

[lechien]

So a couple of 20 something year olds built a business plan and after 5 years changed it all while increasing students, and revenues.
The problem is????

Not sure if you are serious.

But at least they no longer will sell up for 4 stripe brown belt Gracie jiu jitsu online.

 

[lechien]

Rickson is desperate, he wants to poach Gracie Academy students to join his federation. He isn't business savvy, and now GA has Rickson as a promotional push but won't actively promote his fledgling JJGF, which was a bad idea to begin with. We have enough competitions to partake in with variable rule sets and nobody wants or needs another sanctioning body. Simply join the competition you believe in, like EBI or whatever.

I share the same view.
I have lot of love and respect for Rickson
I understand he is now trying to use his federation as a platform to speard his jiu jitsu.
I do not think it is the right platform to spread his knowledge.

 

[CFGroup]

Douchebag Gracie frauds elevating to a new low of bullshido!

Think about all the trashing of martial arts for not being real rsistance the Gracie's are singularly known for.

Now think of them promoting rank through the f@*king INTERNET!

A fluff spiritual Aikido school has more effectiveness and credibility than those money grubbing douchebags!

Now I'll tell U what I really think!....

LOL!

 

[Was at Pride GP 2000]

Not sure if you are serious.

But at least they no longer will sell up for 4 stripe brown belt Gracie jiu jitsu online.

Not sure if you are serious.

But at least they no longer will sell up for 4 stripe brown belt Gracie jiu jitsu online.

I'm serious. We used to arrive.to work on horse back. We used to light our homes with candles. Are phones used to be wired to the wall. And when the internet started it was called a fad. Like all things the evolve and get better. We can focus on how things were or choose to celebrate progress.

 

[lechien]

I'm serious. We used to arrive.to work on horse back. We used to light our homes with candles. Are phones used to be wired to the wall. And when the internet started it was called a fad. Like all things the evolve and get better. We can focus on how things were or choose to celebrate progress.

Fair enough.

If you think promoting people up to 4 stripes brown belt via videos is progress.

I cannot really convince you.

 

[jack36767]

Um.. they didn't change their online promotion system as a business plan to improve their system or get a better product, They did it because they were called out on bullshit

 

[Hotora86]

wait... this was 3 years ago?
why are we still discussing it?

 

[Was at Pride GP 2000]

Fair enough.

If you think promoting people up to 4 stripes brown belt via videos is progress.

I cannot really convince you.

Lol. Are you trolling?
Progress is that they did it one way realized there is a better way and now have a new way where they don't promote people to 4 stripe brown belts anymore (by the way even though that was the program it never actually happened )

 

[Matsukaze]

I'm lost on the whole Rickson and Pedro are onboard with the online belt promotion thing? Didn't Rickson come out saying how bad it was for jiu jitsu ? When did Pedro start giving belts online? I missed something somewhere

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

I'm lost on the whole Rickson and Pedro are onboard with the online belt promotion thing? Didn't Rickson come out saying how bad it was for jiu jitsu ? When did Pedro start giving belts online? I missed something somewhere

1. Rickson has come on board with Gracie Academy after they listened to him and stopped awarding any type of blue belt online. Gracie University students can only get a white and blue striped belt as a sort of certificate of completion. Only CTC students get a blue belt and higher, and it includes sparring gi, no-gi and vale tudo.

2. Pedro doesn't give online belts. Pedro's affiliates are all considered Gracie Academy CTC's IF the affiliate wishes to be part of the network, and Pedro has basically adopted the Gracie Combatives as a blue belt requirement for his academies and instructors.

 

[lechien]

Lol. Are you trolling?
Progress is that they did it one way realized there is a better way and now have a new way where they don't promote people to 4 stripe brown belts anymore (by the way even though that was the program it never actually happened )

OK I am confused.

So you called progress that they were forced to re adjust their online grading system from brown belt 4 stripes to a technical blue belt.

 

[lechien]

Progress is when you can have access to hundred of techniques online and study them and go and train.