The GOAT Convo

[BowserJr]

No this is not the greatest convo of all time.

I just want see what is more interesting in terms of this topic or what is more important to you.

IF A MOD COULD - please add a poll

Whole Record only
Record + strength of schedule
Record only & Only looking at the peak (as in not when the fighter clearly declined and should've stopped fighting like Ali in boxing)
Most impressive performance streak (dominance including decisions)
Most impressive streak (dominance & finishes)

Most impressive performances & what if - this means if extenuating circumstances hadn't happened like Cain becoming riddled with injuries, random motivation issues (BJ & Hendo), khabib quitting early)

I hope this last one makes sense. It's like when a fighter has a very impressive streak and strength of schedule and/or streak of impressive performances but it it didn't last as long cuz of weird random stuff but that fighter in the middle of that impressive streak could be seen as unbeatable in any era

 

[Shaolin Alan]

Not again
(Yes, again! You just explained everyone's reasonings behind declaring who they're currently glazing...)

 

[Sweater of AV]

The convo.

 

[SuperNerd]

All those reasonings have merit, and I'm going to choose the one that applies to my favourite fighter the most

 

[Luthien]

Shogun
Because I love him

 

[Prologue]

The convo

 

[Lord Pyjamas]

No this is not the greatest convo of all time.

I just want see what is more interesting in terms of this topic or what is more important to you.

IF A MOD COULD - please add a poll

Whole Record only
Record + strength of schedule
Record only & Only looking at the peak (as in not when the fighter clearly declined and should've stopped fighting like Ali in boxing)
Most impressive performance streak (dominance including decisions)
Most impressive streak (dominance & finishes)

Most impressive performances & what if - this means if extenuating circumstances hadn't happened like Cain becoming riddled with injuries, random motivation issues (BJ & Hendo), khabib quitting early)

I hope this last one makes sense. It's like when a fighter has a very impressive streak and strength of schedule and/or streak of impressive performances but it it didn't last as long cuz of weird random stuff but that fighter in the middle of that impressive streak could be seen as unbeatable in any era

Great idea!
You should probably first make some kind of paint picture where you draw lines and specify it all into a poll.
You can post it here and we will help you with it if you struggle!

 

[BFoe]

It’s somewhat of a mix.
Record and accomplishments is what matters. I generally don’t look at a fighter’s decline unless it’s relevant to the comparison I’m making. In other words, there’s no value in comparing BJ Penn at the end of his career to Islam at this point in his career.

I also don’t rank GOATs using hypotheticals of whom I think can beat whom, and I don’t really care much for looking at common opponents as a ranking metric either.

 

[ultra321]

No this is not the greatest convo of all time.

I just want see what is more interesting in terms of this topic or what is more important to you.

IF A MOD COULD - please add a poll

Whole Record only
Record + strength of schedule
Record only & Only looking at the peak (as in not when the fighter clearly declined and should've stopped fighting like Ali in boxing)
Most impressive performance streak (dominance including decisions)
Most impressive streak (dominance & finishes)

Most impressive performances & what if - this means if extenuating circumstances hadn't happened like Cain becoming riddled with injuries, random motivation issues (BJ & Hendo), khabib quitting early)

I hope this last one makes sense. It's like when a fighter has a very impressive streak and strength of schedule and/or streak of impressive performances but it it didn't last as long cuz of weird random stuff but that fighter in the middle of that impressive streak could be seen as unbeatable in any era

"Convo".....

 

[ultra321]

/Thread

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Record during the peak. Don’t care about later losses, or early losses for that matter (Anderson vs. Ryo, Stipe vs. Struve, etc.)

I like that snapshot of when they were their most dominant. I’m a big fan of consecutive title defenses.

Another metric that should be added is strength of competition. I see a lot of guys discrediting Stipe bc his competition was “old”, or Anderson because he reigned over a “weak” MW era. I don’t necessarily agree, but I can acknowledge that this matters to some people. In the end, if you’re beating the best guys of your era, it’s not really your fault what the average age is or how they measure up to previous eras. You can only fight who’s available to you.

 

[BowserJr]

Shogun
Because I love him

Yo butt who's butt is that?

 

[Neck&Neck]

 

[BowserJr]

Record during the peak. Don’t care about later losses, or early losses for that matter (Anderson vs. Ryo, Stipe vs. Struve, etc.)

I like that snapshot of when they were their most dominant. I’m a big fan of consecutive title defenses.

You summarized in one line what took me like 3 or 4 lol (my last option)

"Snapshot of when they were most dominant"

I like it!

 

[HHJ]

You guys gotta stop.

Its impossible to pick a GOAT.

There's like 5 or 6 guys out there that stand above the rest of the pack but they are all different weights fighting in different eras, under different rule sets and different circumstances.

So SHUT YA MOUFS

Just pick who YOU LIKE THE BEST and be fine with that. Cos that all you have, you arent PROVING ANYTHING.








































Also:

 

[BowserJr]

You guys gotta stop.

Its impossible to pick a GOAT.

There's like 5 or 6 guys out there that stand above the rest of the pack but they are all different weights fighting in different eras, under different rule sets and different circumstances.

I'm trying to gage what is the most popular option out of what I stated.

Those seem to be the top things people look at when thinking about GOAT but which one is the most widely agreed upon?

 

[HHJ]

I'm trying to gage what is the most popular option out of what I stated.

Those seem to be the top things people look at when thinking about GOAT but which one is the most widely agreed upon?

I think its title defenses because its the LAZIEST thing you can do

 

[BowserJr]

I think its title defenses because its the LAZIEST thing you can do

Lol

 

[Pequeño Corey]

I think its title defenses because its the LAZIEST thing you can do

It’s the most objective option available. It’s a number. And, it’s the hardest thing to do in this sport, which is why it’s universally respected above other metrics like “champ champ” and subjective takes about level of competition.

 

[HHJ]

It’s a number. And, it’s the hardest thing to do in this sport

OK, but who did they defend it against? It might not be so hard or impressive to do that, depending on who it is.