"The Fix is in"?

[The Natural Born Runner]

I'm a huge American Football fan right, and I've always thought the officiating in that sport in particular is much better than most sports out there including MMA, Boxing, Football, Basketball. I always thought games weren't at all fixed and I'm still not necessarily sure if some are - but you ALWAYS hear the conspiracies. I honestly thought this year's SuperBowl was fishy, Cam Newton did very odd things - it was really suspect.

That brings me to MMA. You always hear claims of fixes e.g. Kimbo vs Shamrock most recently. Any time a fix is suggested majority of people kick up fuss and get angry with these "silly", "unrealistic" claims - most of the time I agree with those guys.

My question is, with the 100's and 100's of UFC fights over the years, is it possible that any of them have been "fixed". You hear claims of Mendes getting a cheque to let McGregor win, you see very quick taps sometimes, you have guys dropping out with injuries at the last moment which raise eyebrows.

I'm not sure, I honestly don't know to be honest - but I'm interested in some examples if you guys think some actually are fixed.

It's a whole lot easier to see why smaller organisations would have fixed fights because there is less to lose so to speak, and they have more to benefit off of fights going certain ways. Is it possible that the biggest MMA organisation in the world on occasion fixes fights???

 

[Vulcan]

I'm a huge American Football fan right, and I've always thought the officiating in that sport in particular is much better than most sports out there including MMA, Boxing, Football, Basketball. I always thought games weren't at all fixed and I'm still not necessarily sure if some are - but you ALWAYS hear the conspiracies. I honestly thought this year's SuperBowl was fishy, Cam Newton did very odd things - it was really suspect.

That brings me to MMA. You always hear claims of fixes e.g. Kimbo vs Shamrock most recently. Any time a fix is suggested majority of people kick up fuss and get angry with these "silly", "unrealistic" claims - most of the time I agree with those guys.

My question is, with the 100's and 100's of UFC fights over the years, is it possible that any of them have been "fixed". You hear claims of Mendes getting a cheque to let McGregor win, you see very quick taps sometimes, you have guys dropping out with injuries at the last moment which raise eyebrows.

I'm not sure, I honestly don't know to be honest - but I'm interested in some examples if you guys think some actually are fixed.

It's a whole lot easier to see why smaller organisations would have fixed fights because there is less to lose so to speak, and they have more to benefit off of fights going certain ways. Is it possible that the biggest MMA organisation in the world on occasion fixes fights???

never heard that on sherdog or any mma forums come on bro at least have a pair of testicles to spread that rumor yourself

 

[LostMyBlackBelt]

Well Pride fixed fights, some were just works.

Individuals in UFC might have thrown a fight here and there.

You can't accuse anyone of fixing fights on here though unless you have some good evidence, even then you are not supposed to per rules of the board.

 

[frederick]

"American football"

Turn in your American flag right now

 

[ralphus1]

The UFC has too much to lose to allow worked fights. They'd lose their license in Nevada and most other states would follow suit. Million$ lost because they wanted one guy to go over? Unlikely.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

Well, at some point during
the press conference, diaz
insinuates that Conor & co.
new about everything since
the mma awards since they
were allegedly showing a
promo where conor was
talking shit about diaz at
the award show. Not exactly
a 'fix' if true, but not exactly
fair, either...

 

[Jin Akutsu]

PRIDE had fixed fights. We know that. These days on the UFC level? Nah.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

"American football"

Turn in your American flag right now

I grew up in London, and Blair Walsh proved it's not Football this year lol.

 

[Vegesus44]

Overeem had a 9 fight contract, he would be an idiot to not have cashed in at least a couple times.

 

[frederick]

I grew up in London, and Blair Walsh proved it's not Football this year lol.

Oh, I should've known with how you spelled "organisation"... carry on then

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

never heard that on sherdog or any mma forums come on bro at least have a pair of testicles to spread that rumor yourself

Joe Rogan himself claimed he thought the fight was fixed. I don't honestly think it was, I'm talking for a group of people who suggested it. One happens to be the commentator of the UFC, so yeah - excuse me lol.

Conor haters suggest that Mendes took a dive - Once again, I don't agree, just using those as examples.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

You thought the Super Bowl was fixed because Newton couldn't do anything against a great defense?

 

[SilverRoc]

Fixing fights would mean risking the Fertittas billion dollar casino business to make what to them would be pocket change, don't be stupid.

 

[Walker Smith Jr]

Sage vs Pfister guy 1st round.

Before Conor fight Mendes was getting like 40/40 compared to 500k he made in that fight.

Just sayin.

 

[Sparkie]

The temptation to fix a fight must be huge as it only requires getting one fighter on board to throw a fight. A fix allows you to place a large bet and potentially make a lot of money. That being said if it looks phoney, like a work, it is there for all to see.

If it looks really bad... it could destroy an organizations credibility.

What is to stop any individual going up to a fighter and suggesting he throw a fight?

 

[reveler]

when people say "fix," they should be specific. many people refer to any tainted outcome as a fix, but who is involved in the conspiracy, allegedly?

1. "throw" - one guy loses a fight on purpose. he bets against himself, or maybe just shows up to get a paycheck and folds as soon as he gets hit. this outcome is tainted but there is no conspiracy, just one guy.
2. "work" - both fighters conspire to make the fight look real, but it actually has a pre-determined outcome. could be gambling involved, or just an old favor.
3. "fix" - one or both fighters AND the promoter conspire to rig an outcome.
4. "bribe" - one or both fighters, or the promoter, or an unrelated third party tries to influence the ref and/or the judges for a fight.
5. "organized crime" - both fighters, the promoters, the ref, the judges, the bookmakers, and the rest of the athletic commission conspire to produce certain outcomes because they all mutually benefit when superstar fighters win and put more asses in seats.

 

[Glove]

Well there have been "instances" of works in early UFC and Pride, in fact manipulating games can come rather easily and you don't need many people involved.

 

[pride_rules]

in before this gets deleted
here is a treat
your welcome ts

 

[Sjb1888]

Well, at some point during
the press conference, diaz
insinuates that Conor & co.
new about everything since
the mma awards since they
were allegedly showing a
promo where conor was
talking shit about diaz at
the award show. Not exactly
a 'fix' if true, but not exactly
fair, either...

Conor talked shit to loads of fighters in his acceptance speech, you are about as stupid as it gets if you think they had a plan to fight Diaz since the awards.

That doesn't mean Conor and the UFC hadn't spoken about replacements if an injury occurred, in fact it would be incredibly short sighted for the UFC to not have a plan in place considering that 6 of conor's last 12 scheduled opponents have dropped out.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

You thought the Super Bowl was fixed because Newton couldn't do anything against a great defense?

Defense won me my Fantasy Football league this year they were so great. I don't think the defense has much to do with the most courageous QB in the league (who has zero care for his own health, just throws himself into the fire by refusing to slide when he rushes), just staring at a ball and jumping in and then back out like his name is Mario Yamasaki - It just looked bad, it looked odd.

The strip-sack from Miller when he was coming straight at him and he didn't even protect the ball was weird. The referee's saying that Cotchery didn't catch the ball on the 1st drive was crooked. It was just a weird game.

Pretty much zero PI on Denver, yet PI on Panthers several times that the ball went flying over people's heads.

It's too much to claim it was definitely fixed, but it's odd how every year there is drama. Throws on 1 yard lines, lights going out in stadiums before huge comebacks, MVP's turning to dust for one game, legends of the sport always winning a SuperBowl to ride into the sunset... feels WWE'ish at times.

But I love the game... so ef 'it.