The final word on creatine cycling

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  1. fat_wilhelm

    fat_wilhelm Black Belt

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    I'd like to know what everybody's opinion is on this. To this day, I still read articles stating both that creatine should be cycled and that it isn't necessary to cycle.

    I've always cycled just to err on the side of caution, but I really haven't found anything to convince me one way or the other.
     
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    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    The saga continues, there has been no final word.
     
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    UbetterTAPout** Banned Banned

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    When you get a real answer, let me know. I cycle just because of the water retention. Gives me a week to piss out the bad.
     
  4. fat_wilhelm

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    Well, that settles that. I figured if anyone could steer me one way or the other, it would be you, Kabuki.
     
  5. Ian Coe

    Ian Coe Silver Belt Professional Fighter

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    I thought the 'final' word would be no.


    If your not in a rush, its better to lower the dosage and keep on it. Maybe come off it for a week once a year (but by which point if your body has become dependant then a week won't do anything)

    Alas, there are no long term studies of the effects of creatine....yet
     
  6. kaewkaew

    kaewkaew Banned Banned

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    The final word is use it all year! as soon as u stop seeing results then load again and then keep doing the regular dosage. Ofcourse not all creatine was created equal, some old school creatines cause lots of bloating and not as good results, newer creatines however can do miracles, if u have the money then do Vitargo-CGL by a company called Nutrex, it aint cheap but i bet my wife and kids it will give u monster results real fast!!
     
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    Thanks. Is it at all similar to Cellmass? Right now, I can't justify switching from that because it's worked so well for me. I'll look into the Vitargo, though.
     
  8. Grady

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    I cycle, and never load. Works for me. My results from creatine are minor, anyway.
     
  9. Sinister

    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    There's absolutely no reason to load creatine. Especially if you're mixing the basic monohydrate with some form of fructose.

    Cellmass actually debunks the need for this thread. As it's Esterfied Creatine it completely bypasses the liver anyway and doesn't need to be cycled, that's one of it's selling points.
     
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    i always noticed better results when I cycle, load, and on some days take 10 grams of creatine
     
  11. fat_wilhelm

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    The main reasons I've heard in support of cycling, however, include the notions that:

    a) your body stops responding to creatine, and thus you must "refresh" and start over to get further benefit.

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    b) if you're constantly on creatine, your body loses its own ability to transport creatine to muscles.

    These are the main issues I was concerned with, which don't seem to have much to do with the liver unless I'm missing something, which is certainly possible. I'm assuming your point about liver bypass is in relation to the idea that cycling helps flush your system.
     
  12. Chad Hamilton

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    Vitargo tastes like shit.

    Chunky.
     
  13. Sinister

    Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Correct.

    That applies to MOST supplements. And smart people who actually put the supplements to real use (not just for vanity), cycle EVERYTHING.

    I've never heard that. But the natural fructose should help with this, unless of course you're using an Esterfied version, in which case this shouldn't be a problem at all.

    But Mick knows more about all this than I do I think.
     
  14. Madmick

    Madmick Cerebrage Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I think it was Jose Antonio who said not to do it for longer than two months because a toxicity can build up (even at the lower 2g/daily dosags).

    Not that it matters to me. Frankly, I've never had the discipline to take a supplement every day for longer than two months (except weight gainers and protein powders).
     
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    Fyodor Biznitch Yellow Belt

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    Fructose replenishes liver glycogen but does not replenish muscle glycogen, which is what you are aiming for when you take your creatine with a sugar...or this is what i've always been taught. I'm interested in your reasoning to pair it with fructose? Myself I only mix with a glucose usually just putting it in my shake and that is post workout only. Any other time I just take it with water...maybe I just read too much on the internet.
     

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