International The EU is historically centrist not left leaning

[PBAC]

There seems to be some misunderstanding that the EU has always been a leftist organisation. This isn't true. It's designed as a balancing institution in which the needs of the collective are weighted together with the needs of the member states. It's called the balance of powers. The member states who share collective norms seek to work together to collectively stabilise those norms. The whole thing is a literal balancing act between national identify, democracy, humans rights and law. Despite the recent vote it still remains a centrist system. The far right gains still have to operate within this system.


You see that blue in the middle? Christian democratic party - Centrist
yellow = renew economic and cohesion focused . Centrist
The red? Socialist democratic - left centrist

534 are centre aligned
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89 are full left
97 are unaffiliated
131 are right leaning

also worth noting that the largest right leaning party is led by parliamentary president Ursula von der Brom who predominantly uphold values at the core of the EU namely rule of law, democracy and human rights. She is representative of the Christian value centric party.

 

[curryjunkie]

Thought it was common knowledge, the fringes at the edges colour people's perceptions . Obviously the former Soviet countries are more authoritarian, while the western European ones are more liberal, but overall most folks are centrist

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Obviously the former Soviet countries are more authoritarian, while the western European ones are more liberal

Nah. most eastern euro countries are now american colonies, while countries like germany send you to prison for posting wrongthink online.

 

[moreorless87]

You just need to look at the situation with Greece a few years ago to see the EU is clearly not left leaning.

 

[PBAC]

You just need to look at the situation with Greece a few years ago to see the EU is clearly not left leaning.

Which situation?

My onus is focussed on right wingers who say the EU is a soviet style system that enforces divergent norms

 

[PhitePhan]

There seems to be some misunderstanding that the EU has always been a leftist organisation. This isn't true. It's designed as a balancing institution in which the needs of the collective are weighted together with the needs of the member states. It's called the balance of powers. The member states who share collective norms seek to work together to collectively stabilise those norms. The whole thing is a literal balancing act between national identify, democracy, humans rights and law. Despite the recent vote it still remains a centrist system. The far right gains still have to operate within this system.


You see that blue in the middle? Christian democratic party - Centrist
yellow = renew economic and cohesion focused . Centrist
The red? Socialist democratic - left centrist

534 are centre aligned
---
89 are full left
97 are unaffiliated
131 are right leaning

In the US, “right” political parties tend to advocate as a core tenant limited and local government… as such, the fact that the EU is a body governing local matters from afar (much like the federal govt in the US) means that they are the antithesis of the right, no?

 

[PG29 red0 Jr]

Which situation?

My onus is focussed on right wingers who say the EU is a soviet style system that enforces divergent norms

I assume countries were upset about the Greeks being lazy and looking for constant handouts while contributing almost nothing?

 

[White Whale]

The National Rally in France and the AfD in Germany are centrist parties.

 

[The Big Yin]

Using left and right to describe European politics ...what a boomer take

 

[ferrisjso]

There seems to be some misunderstanding that the EU has always been a leftist organisation. This isn't true. It's designed as a balancing institution in which the needs of the collective are weighted together with the needs of the member states. It's called the balance of powers. The member states who share collective norms seek to work together to collectively stabilise those norms. The whole thing is a literal balancing act between national identify, democracy, humans rights and law. Despite the recent vote it still remains a centrist system. The far right gains still have to operate within this system.


You see that blue in the middle? Christian democratic party - Centrist
yellow = renew economic and cohesion focused . Centrist
The red? Socialist democratic - left centrist

534 are centre aligned
---
89 are full left
97 are unaffiliated
131 are right leaning

Fascists do this trick where no matter what the ideology of a governing body they will always call it leftist even though theres minimal leftists even in govt even in europe. If they concede they are in charge then asking for more power is a harder sell and all the problems with capitalism are their fault. But if the govt is run by leftists they can blame capitalists failing on the left and frame whatever bs is posing as a safety net as socialsim.

 

[Ruprecht]

The EU emerged with neoliberalism (foundationally, the Euro itself). That's never been left-wing, although it came to dominate economic policy across the centre of the political spectrum.

 

[KOPPE]

What Europe really needs rn is anti-immigration left-wing parties. There's a pretty solid left-wing argument against mass migration in that its used to suppress wages, avoid compensating "unskilled jobs" fairly and push the GDP number up at the cost of stagnating or even falling living standards. When the Danish social democratic party enacted more strict immigration policies the support for the far right evaporated overnight. Same is happening in Sweden right now.

 

[PBAC]

Using left and right to describe European politics ...what a boomer take

you know what forum we're on

 

[curryjunkie]

Nah. most eastern euro countries are now american colonies, while countries like germany send you to prison for posting wrongthink online.

 

[curryjunkie]

The National Rally in France and the AfD in Germany are centrist parties.

 

[White Whale]

Thought it was common knowledge, the fringes at the edges colour people's perceptions . Obviously the former Soviet countries are more authoritarian, while the western European ones are more liberal, but overall most folks are centrist

The fact that these parties won means the majority voted for them and as you said most people are centrist.

 

[gspieler]

Seems like a matter of perspective. In the US, if you advocate for a market-based economy + strong social safety net, you'll probably be called a communist, by many.

 

[NickNick]

I've always been under the impression that the right/left in the USA is not the same as the right/left in the EU. And that the "left"/democrats in the USA are closer to the right than to the left in the EU. How true is that?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I've always been under the impression that the right/left in the USA is not the same as the right/left in the EU. And that the "left"/democrats in the USA are closer to the right than to the left in the EU. How true is that?

Bernie Sanders is a centrist here. that about sums it up.

 

[filthybliss]

For a lot of Sherbros on here, if you wouldn’t get off to trump banging your wife. You are a Commie American hating transgender.